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I seem to have lost the instructions that came with the scimitar I used last year. Does any one out there knom how much you add to a gallon of water thanks --------- Quinn.

5/28/2003 9:02:42 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

.9 - 1.5 mls per 1 - 2 gallons of water has been doing a good job here. The finished spray (regardless of whether it's 1 or 2 gallons) then treats 1,000 sq ft.

For a new copy of the label go here:

http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld2CF005.pdf

Steve

5/28/2003 9:15:26 AM

Montoursville, PA

From the label: One half ounce per one gallon up to two and a half gallons, of water, for spot spraying. That is quite a range but I believe the lower rates good for most applications. Safer too! Some have said apply very early AM before flowers open in flowering period or late cool evening after insect movement has subsided. Think that may have to do with less possibility of burning the tender new growth, on the plants, too.

5/28/2003 9:22:07 AM

Saegertown Pa.

Thanks for the replies I used scimitar last year with very good results I just couldn't find the label.

Quinn

5/28/2003 12:03:23 PM

No Place Special

I used Scimitar last year and loved it! I only have a very little left and am waiting on a shipment from prosource one. I placed the order months ago but they still havent received it on their end yet. I am starting to get a little nervious but will give them a little longer before I call and bug them again. If this order falls through, does anyone know where else I might get some? This stuff is great and I would recommend it to anyone! Mike Frantz

6/1/2003 10:23:03 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

I sell it Mike if you end up in a pinch. - Steve

6/1/2003 11:33:30 PM

No Place Special

Thanks Steve, a big weight is now lifted from me!

Mike

6/2/2003 10:18:57 AM

Pulaski Tn blkcloud@igiles.net

ive gone blank..again..what is scimitar is it similar to the ortho stuff that is now re named something else?? is it systemic..or what ever the word is??

6/2/2003 1:33:42 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

Scimitar is also marketed under the trade name Battle. The active ingredient name is Llambda-cyhalothrin. Scimitar SC & Battle are 9.7% active ingredient compounds in a water based "suspension capsule" formulations of a third generation synthetic pyrethroid, whereby each encapsulated molecule is subject to explode either when disturbed by an insect or at a time that is engineered into the capsule during manufacture. Water has little effect on the capsules after the residue has dried. Some of the active ingredient is automatically active at the time of treatment by design.
Both are also available with the designation GC following their names (instead of SC) which indicates it is labeled for use on Golf Courses.

Battle & Scimitar are also available as WP (wettable powder) formulations.

Warrior T is the agriculture version. It is actually a little different. Rather than the safer water base, Warrior is an older oil based emulsifiable concentrate of the zylene range sort. As such, it's a little bit faster, but more likely to cause trouble for the applicator. It is more dangerous for our eyes & skin & more likely to cause phyto-toxicity to the plants. Especially during warm weather. Warrior T is slightly stronger too at 11.4% Llambda-cyhalothrin but this just changes the amount we add to the spray water & has no impact on the amount applied per acre. We still end up with same active ingredient load no matter which product is used.

None of the Llambda-cyhalothrin formulations are systemic. Like all the other pyrethroids, it is a contact insecticide with quick knock down & surprisingly good residual.

The former Zeneca brought Llamda-cyhalothrin to market. But they were absorbed into the mega-manufacturer Syngenta a few years ago. Supply issues from Syngenta in the past few years have been a real frustration for some users whose distributors don't stock up in anticipation of this anual situation.

Steve

6/2/2003 9:20:45 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

Woops! I forgot the main question. No comparable consumer oriented product exists yet. Professional preperations often take many years to find the shelves of the local garden center ot Home Improvement Big Box store.

Consumers get shafted a lot in this country. Hee Hee! Keeps the pro's in demand.

By the time Ortho or Scott's get a hold of Llambda-cyhalothrin, it will be very old news & some other really cool new stuff will be killing buggies better.

Steve

6/2/2003 9:24:48 PM

Pulaski Tn blkcloud@igiles.net

whew....thanky!!

6/3/2003 8:36:29 AM

Pulaski Tn blkcloud@igiles.net

would you think Scimitar is better than the systemic stuff that ortho makes??

6/3/2003 8:48:53 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

What's the active ingredient? If it's Imidacloprid (Admire, Merit, Provado, Marathon) then they are 2 different tools entirely.

Screwdriver for driving screws.
Hammer for driving nails.

Systemics can be utilized for their contact properties. Contacts have no systemic activity. So I suppose we could say that systemics are more versatile. But that doesn't mean they're really better. When speed of kill is the order of the day, you won't see me reaching for my Merit.

I recommend the use of both. Contacts (Scimitar & Astro or Pounce here) when trouble is seen scouting for the speed & reliable knockdown. Systemics (Merit in my case) applied to the soil for anything the contacts may have missed.

Capture (Bifenthrin) instead of Scimitar later when Mites show up here. We usually get mites here in the summer.

Scouting & timing are still the only way to get consistent results regardless of the chemical.

Steve

6/3/2003 9:28:05 AM

Western Pa.

The way I figure, (and was told), in June when those vines are growing several feet per day, it takes a while for systemic to get into the new growth. So I spray new growth with Scimitar. Alternating the 2 every other week works well for me!

6/3/2003 10:32:35 AM