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This is a genetics question. First, what an accomplishment for Martin! Congratulations! Now, for the question: What is responsible for this beauty?... Is it the cross of the 670 Daigle 03 (female) and the 801.5 Stelts 97? Is it the parents of the 670? Or, the parents of the 801.5 Stelts 97? Or, is it the 6 lobes and not the genetics at all? Looks like from germination to harvest was 144 days and fruit 87 days. Martin said both parents produced shiney orange fruit, some 800, others over 1000. What are the right combinations to look for when looking at genetics? Your thoughts are appreciated...

9/19/2005 12:49:33 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

If the 801.5 was the pollinator for his cross, it won't show expression of the 801.5 genetics until the pumpkins' seed is grown.
It's due to the cross of the 670 Daigle, not the resulting cross from this year.

9/19/2005 6:27:30 AM

Midwest

Thanks Southern!
Wouldn't that make the 670 Daigle seed more desired than Martin's 05? I mean, if I like the traits of his pumpkin, and what you are saying is the parents are responsible for these traits, wouldn't I want the 670 Daigle seed?

9/19/2005 10:48:58 AM

Hudsonville, Michigan (michiganpumpkins@sbcglobal.net)

Yes you would. But Martin's seed may prove out, too. You never know.

9/19/2005 10:53:09 AM

No Place Special

There are prob 400 plus of the 1233 but who knows how many 670's there are?

9/19/2005 2:51:29 PM

Sioux Falls, SD garyboer@dakotalink.com

Notice the increased demand for a 670 Daigle on Seed Exchange board since Martin posted pics. . .

Also, am I right?...not even another 670 Daigle from the same pumpkin has the same genetics as the seed Martin grew?
I think they're no more alike than brothers and sisters unless the same lines have been used for generations.

But the more times large orange round ones are crossed with large orange round ones, the more consistently they will bear large orange round ones.

But if Martin took a cutting and somehow kept the same plant alive(clone) and vigorous and grew it next year, the fruit should be the same, barring misfortunes.

. . .not sure, but that's my understanding.

9/19/2005 5:15:15 PM

Syracuse, NY

i think that although the genetics of each seed are
ever so slightly different, they will generally all lean toward having the same characteristics as any other seed in the pumpkin.
like, an 845 seed will generally show the same characteristics as any other 845 seed, just maybe not as much or maybe a little more than the one in question.
also, if a seed is widely planted and every grower of it gets a 1000-plus pounds fruit, it may be because the grower is
giving that seed more care and attention than if the seed had only produced meager results for anyone else.
in other words, if it grew a monster for someone,
it may grow another monster for another grower, but due in part to that grower's expertise and attention rather than
entirely the seed's genetics. eric

9/19/2005 7:38:16 PM

Long Island,New York

multiple fruit grown on the same plant can look drasticly different, yet very similar...lol.

9/19/2005 8:49:53 PM

Midwest

pumpkinpal2:

Case in point, the Mr. Al Eaton 05. Not a proven seed for two more weeks. I don't know what the cross was for that pumpkin? If it produces 1000 lbr's, the parents would be very sought for and so would Mr. Eaton's seeds. I think I saw one particularly experienced grower have problems with it this year before some mangee dog dug it up. That doesn't mean it's a bad line and it would be interesting to see what the last two or three world record seeds produce? Is there information on the last couple of world records?

9/20/2005 1:28:01 PM

Cincinnati,OH

Here are the top 3 progeny for these World Record pumpkins
1385 Daletas 03 WR - 923lbs.,855lbs.,668.5lbs.
1337 Houghton 02 WR - 960lbs.,829lbs.,818lbs.
1262 Emmons 01 WR - 946lbs.,854.6lbs.,840lbs.
1140 Stelts 00 WR - 804lbs.,798.5lbs.,707.5lbs.

It will be intersting to see what the 1446 Eaton 04 does this year.

9/20/2005 3:52:18 PM

Indiana

1446 has some nice stuff on it, it will be first world record to have an offspring produce over 1000 I think? Someone must have the info on the 1131(no seeds, so this is easy) 1092, 1061 any I am missing?

Tom

9/20/2005 4:06:03 PM

Long Island,New York

Not a statisstician but some things to consider......There should be a trend towards bigger with newer WR seeds that follows the general upward trend of giant pumpkins. I don't recall a more organized effort to grow a WR seed complete with "making the cut", personal coaching, etc, etc so I would expect the 1446 to show better and skew any comparison. I believe there were far less 1140's distributed than the others.
And for the purists...lol....I think the 1260Weir wins hands down....WR for a week its grown 1370, 1129.5,and 1035lber.

9/20/2005 4:28:02 PM

Indiana

Brilliant G! LOL

9/20/2005 4:34:46 PM

I think G's brilliant most all of the time!!!

9/20/2005 9:40:10 PM

Midwest

Wow, personal grower coaches. This is why I want to get into one of the grower associations/clubs. Actually, I'm independent now (the downside... no coaches!) (except for you guys at BP.com of course!)

9/21/2005 12:11:55 AM

That State Up North

I think the 1367.5 was a WR for an hour, and the 1370 for maybe an hour as well, those have done pretty darn good in terms of giving the 1260 a run for it.
In terms of a productive world record seed, I think 827 Holland should be considered, but must account for Glenn's statistical analysis and the general upward trend impact
Oh, and as far as not many 1140, I have a bunch, so maybe that's why none got planted
So what was the point here?
Ah yes, I will go out on a limb and say the 1233 should be a seed worth planting for those who actualy like big orange pumpkins


Nic Welty

9/21/2005 8:17:48 AM

Syracuse, NY

hmmmm....me and Gary Miller like the 1140 Stelts.
at least now i know when i start to run low myself who
to turn to. i pollinated my 845 Bobier in 2001 and there was the 728.5 Gerry, which has produced numerous beautiful orange fruit (sadly, nothing like a 1000-plus)
in the last couple years, (786.4 Catapano, 735 Drake,
713 Matto and a few others lower in weights that are not on the AGGC)....i have one 1140 growing now,
sadly sort of neglected, with about a 225-pounder on it;
i used it to pollinate my 845 with this year, re-creating the 728.5 cross. (!) the 1140 is pollinated by the 582. (!)
say, ah, Nic---going to the SEMINAR '06? lol----eric

9/22/2005 6:13:39 PM

Hilpoltstein, Bavaria, Germany

Great news, guys!
I think my 1233.5 (670 Daigle X 801.5 Stelts) has just become even more promising for planting next year.
The 1233.5 itself was 6.5% over the est weight and yesterday I took the fruit off the 801.5 Stelts pollinator plant to our weighoff in Ludwigsburg. It was 9.5% heavy and came in at 1008 lbs!
Pictures in my dairy shortly!

10/3/2005 6:30:26 AM

Vancouver, White Rock, Canada

Not a bad year, there, Martin. Not bad at all.

LOL. Wow.

10/3/2005 3:23:44 PM

Utah

Sweet Martin,
all the more reason to go for Orange AND Heavy !
conratulations on a 2nd 1,000+ pumpkin.

10/3/2005 3:37:03 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

Way (or should I say 'Weigh'?)to go Martin!!!

10/3/2005 4:36:02 PM