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Eugene, OR

Hey all, I just harvested the seeds from my little 810 Dill x self and was quite surprised to find tan seeds. The 810 was a white seed and I just expected that the selfed seeds would be white as well. The males were protected before pollination and the female was protected before and after the deed was done. Anyone have a similar experience with selfing a white seed and having the resulting seeds come back tan?

10/7/2005 12:04:31 PM

White Bear Lake, Minnesota

Two wongs don't make a white.

Or is it two wrongs don't make a right.

10/7/2005 10:34:36 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

Brian, this may be better explained by looking at a hierarchy tree for your seeds in question. First, your 810 Dill is the cross of the 920 Cole(female) x 715 Dill(male). Now, you've got to remember, the white 810 Dill seeds were actually produced by the 920 Cole's female flower. This 920 Cole is the product of the 567.4 Wallace x self. ie. your white seed is a product of the 567.4 Wallace x self. Just as your new tan seeds are a product of the 920 x 715 cross produced in the flower of the 810 plant. Coppish(capeesh)? The bottom line is you're thinking in terms of your actual cross affecting the seed color when in reality it was determined one generation earlier. I think this makes sense... <:^)>

10/8/2005 2:16:40 AM

In 04 Shell and I both grew the 783 Daletas and both of us crossed it with the same 960 Kline plant. Shell's seeds from that cross were white (638 Cramer), mine were tan (857 Rivard). I don't have any 783's left to check seed color, but I know the 960 is a tan seed.

Snake's explanation makes sense to me for your situation, but what about ours????????

My guess is that each seed from a given fruit must be looked at as an individual capable of carrying on different traits from its parents.

Another possible explanation may be unprotected crosses. I know I can trust Shell's, Todd's, Steve's and my crosses as being protected, but how about the X amount of crosses that lead to the 783 and 960. ?????

10/8/2005 4:35:30 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

White seeds are a result of the final seed coating NOT developing. I would think whether the seeds are white or tan depend on a variable of the particular growing fruit and not genetics.

10/8/2005 7:35:09 AM

Eugene, OR

Thanks for all the replies guys. I know the color of the seed doesn't really matter but it's interesting to hear that it could be influenced by some factor other than genetics. I guess I was just expecting them to be white considering I selfed it. Just goes to show how much I know LOL.

R, the two 783's I managed to kill this year were tan....along with your 857 I also killed. If killing good seeds were a crime, I'd be doing 10-20 after this year.

10/11/2005 4:24:42 PM