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Aloha, Oregon

Hello all I am looking for AG hybrid seeds.!
Thanks,
Jordan

11/15/2005 10:55:09 AM

Newcastle England

hi jordan,ive noticed your requests for a while now,have you still not been able to get some seeds.i wish i could help you out but im new to this crazy world myself goodluck peter.

11/15/2005 12:50:45 PM

Maine

you have the same post in the seed exchange

11/15/2005 1:21:04 PM

Eastern Pennsylvania

Jordan, how is your work going on the community garden? Good news I hope.

11/15/2005 1:39:09 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

What exactly are "you" considering an AG Hybrid? BF

11/15/2005 6:33:15 PM

Aloha, Oregon

Um the community garden do you mean the garden I may plant at school well i got a club for I will fill it out and turn it in.!
Thanks,
Jordan

11/15/2005 8:20:11 PM

Mocksville, NC

Jordon, Jordon, Jordon, A, AG is a hybrid for the second time explain what you are looking for? Then we can help.

11/15/2005 10:34:31 PM

Aloha, Oregon

What I mean is AG X diffrent type of pumpkin

11/16/2005 9:38:30 PM

milford, CT,

Guys I didn't want to chime in but... enough is enough. I'm a new grower and along the way I've been fortunate enough to have experienced growers explain to me that good seeds are important but there are other variables that need to be honed to be a good grower. Could someone explain to Jordan that soil, pruning, water, weather etc. are variables also and that just because you get a great seed is no guarantee that you will grow the 1st 1500 lber. It takes years of developing better soil and skills in growing technique to be a top notch grower. Just trying to secure seeds is only part of the formula for success. I don't have the answers for you Jordan but maybe you should research more about what the Heavy Hitters do to make those magic seeds produce 1000 lbs heavier than other guys who plant those same seeds. If I'm out of line guys I apologize but I think Jordan believes that the magic of our hobby lies soley in the seeds.

11/16/2005 10:47:11 PM

Vancouver, White Rock, Canada

Good luck with that (the explaining part)...

11/16/2005 11:58:35 PM

Newcastle England

hi milford,surely having good seed is the main starting point, whilst growing this good seed youll then learn all about watering, pruning,feeding.it seems to me that if you can get hold of good seed,what is the point of growing crap shop bought seed, just a thought peter.

11/17/2005 12:26:19 AM

Newcastle England

hi milford,surely having good seed is the main starting point, whilst growing this good seed youll then learn all about watering, pruning,feeding.it seems to me that if you can get hold of good seed,what is the point of growing crap shop bought seed, just a thought peter.

11/17/2005 12:26:20 AM

Pumpkintown, SC

What?? Uh, that may be a bit backwards there Peter.
"surely having good seed is the main starting point..."
Although a good seed is a vital part of the giant pumpkin puzzle, it certainly shouldn't be considered the main starting point for a new grower(or a grower of any caliber for that matter).
"whilst growing this good seed you'll learn all about..." If you are "starting to learn" whilst growing any good seed, the biggest lesson you'll learn will be, you just wasted an opportunity with a good seed.
In a sentence, you must first learn how to provide and maintain the proper growing environment(above and below ground) to just have a fighting chance to maximize the potential of any seed.
Not trying to jump all over you Peter. It's just that the way I learned it(which I honestly believe to be, at least, more correct) is in direct opposition to your statements. I also think you'll find this to be the consensus here too. Good luck to you, BF

11/17/2005 1:19:54 AM

Syracuse, NY

let's alter fulla's statement to read:
"whilst WAITING to grow this good seed, then you'll learn all about"...
cripes, ya gotta start somewhere.
every puzzle starts with the first piece, and everyone
will start their puzzle a little differently, perhaps with a different piece than the next guy. perhaps with the seed choices...
so if Jordan there can get ahold of an 845 Bobier, Langevin's second book and an 869.5 Calai, then they are his seeds and he can do what he wants and none of us should feel bad if he doesn't get a half-tonner out of each seed. for him or for the seeds!
no new grower is gonna go out and build up his soil quality for three years before growing a top seed if he can get it.
i know I sure wouldn't...it is psychological, too...
if you know that if you do everything right you will
win a big prize, then you will do better at AG-growing than if you had been half-hearted. like if you knew your seed was gonna suck, lol! i guess i agree with both of the last two statements; they each have high merits. eric

11/17/2005 2:52:36 AM

Rhode Island

there have been many successful growers in our sngpg club that only a few years ago did not know even the basics of ag growing.
they partnered up with growers they knew would network with them, visited their patches, basicly absorbed all their experience and knowledge and, now they are passing it on to their friends.

it took almost all the trial and error out of the equasion for these new growers, placing them on a somewhat level playing field with others in much less time.

no need for a learning curve if you just partner up with a good grower and save yourself several years of trial and error.

as for jordan ? it could take a bit longer as he seems to be firing out in all directions. calm down my young friend and nuzzle up to a good grower in your area. maybe if you posted a request for growers in your area you would be better served ?

dick

dick

11/17/2005 10:34:08 AM

Pumpkintown, SC

Great point/suggestion Dick except, unfortunately, there IS a "learning curve" of sorts when it comes to one's soil. Unless your mentor is willing to provided you with his well worked patch soil too, you've got, in most cases, a lot of work ahead of you to prep your planting spots. I'm sure we've all heard the expression, "there's no substitute for experience". Well, even the most experienced grower can't maximize the potential of a good seed, if planted in poor soil, BF

PS. In no way am I saying anyone who gets their hands on what they consider to be a hot seed, should not plant it whenever they want. I'm just commenting on steps which will help maximize that seed's potential, whenever it is planted.

11/17/2005 11:37:03 AM

Eastern Pennsylvania

Jordan, good deal please keep us posted on the progress with the school patch.

You should stop worrying about seeds. I know you have the M Wallace 1095, which was a selfed 1367.5 Rose, amoung other good seeds. I plan to plant that seed too, so you are at least even with me.

Why don't you start asking more questions about soil prep, fertilizers and pruning? That way if you get your patch, you will be ready to use it. How will you till it? Will you add manure? People might object to manure if it is at your school. These questions and more are harder and will require more of your time to answer than it will to aquire more/better seeds.

Also, I hope you are keeping in mind that having a community garden will require you to let others have a chance to participate with it.

11/17/2005 1:19:34 PM

Newcastle England

snake oil, i might be a bit backwards in my opinion,but i will tell you what,im a very happily married father of two with a beautiful wife,and i will go out of my way to help jordan and any other new growers.i cant understand where your arrogance is comming from,for gods sake get off your high horse.peter(looking backwards)

11/17/2005 1:20:59 PM

Newcastle England

good luck jordan,i hope you grow the biggest ever weighed

11/17/2005 1:50:46 PM

Mocksville, NC

Jordon, I gotcha now! A real good one is from kyle little or southern his BP handle AG X Big max it's somewhere in the 300+ range brite orange great shape givem a ring. Rog

11/17/2005 4:49:30 PM

Newcastle England

jordan. it looks likr youve got friends.best of luck peter.

11/17/2005 4:54:25 PM

milford, CT,

Guys I totally agree with some of your comments. One of the mistakes I made in my first 2 years was that I thought saving growing my better seeds until I was able to grow 700lbs consistently was the way to go. Maybe one of the reasons I have not achieved that is that while improving soil and other factors I was limiting my potential weights by growing average seeds. This year we'll see if the wait was worth it..but if I had to do it again I agree that I probably should have planted the best seeds I had every year because with the generosity that growers in this sport exhibit you can improve your seed quality every year. Best of luck to everyone in 2006. Mark

11/17/2005 9:00:46 PM

Newcastle England

mm?

11/18/2005 1:18:57 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

Fulla Peter? I'm very happy for you. BF
PS Thanks for the quaint personal email...

11/18/2005 1:52:40 PM

Newcastle England

what do you mean quaint,and what does bf mean.im a bit backwards didnt you know.peter

11/18/2005 2:40:22 PM

Newcastle England

seems to me yove got a major insecurity problem.were you bullied at school,just a thought???

11/18/2005 2:53:41 PM

Newcastle England

no way im my own person

11/18/2005 3:42:24 PM

Newcastle England

is this jordan lad alright or not.peter

11/18/2005 3:45:39 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

Man, you're good fulla Peter. You're good. LOL
It's obvious your time would be better spent helping Biggie. BF(these would be my initials)

11/18/2005 4:28:33 PM

Newcastle England

no probs my friend id rather help someone.than freekin give them some grief

11/18/2005 4:48:35 PM

Newcastle England

im still laughing as to the (your good fulla peter.)i dont have much spare time due to work comitments,but i will tell you something im going to put my name down for as much overtime as possible.it saves talking to a plank of lumber like yourself,sweet dreams you crank.peter

11/18/2005 4:57:14 PM

Eastern Pennsylvania

LOL we all know so much more about AG hybrids now.

11/18/2005 5:08:35 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

Truth be known...I'm still laughing too, BF

11/18/2005 5:10:31 PM

Long Island,New York

I just never did get British humor......

11/18/2005 5:47:09 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

Only if they're fulla Peter.
I know, I'm sorry. I just couldn't resist.
With apologies to Alun...

11/18/2005 6:54:28 PM

Cincinnati,OH

This is all I have handy at the moment.
Little cross 04
(208 Little x 940 Mombert '00) numerous fruit from 150-200#, grown for decoration and to sell.208 x 940 cross is a continuation of color lineage.

208 Little = (120 Frantz x 940 Mombert) 1/4 Big Max & 3/4 AG genetics, outstanding color, produced a 500#+ pumpkin in 2004

120 Frantz = (139 Big Max x 922.5 Emmons 01)

11/18/2005 7:53:34 PM

Long Beach, CA

Jordan, I made an AG (495 Reiss) X Prizewinner cross this year, email me if you'd like seeds.

Oliver

11/18/2005 8:52:29 PM

On top of Brush Mountain, Pa.

How many people are out there trying to ignore this Next-Biggie thing?

11/18/2005 9:45:07 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

I somehow got sucked in when I thought I was just providing sound growing advice. Now I'm knee deep in it, BF

11/18/2005 9:56:36 PM

Michigan

Did he really just say "sweet dreams you crank"???

11/18/2005 11:04:25 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

lmao

11/18/2005 11:24:26 PM

Cornwall UK.(50N 5W)300ft.

When I read complete rubbish like this thread it makes me embarrassed to be a pumpkin grower.

11/19/2005 4:31:55 AM

Vancouver, White Rock, Canada

I'm with AXC. I'm not wasting my time with this garbage anymore.

11/19/2005 1:14:56 PM