From

Location

Message

Date Posted

Indiana

Just because the parent was light to the chart does that mean the offspring will also be light???? What if the pollinator adds the right genes for the offspring to have thick walls. It seems like I have seen a lot of negatives about the 1469 seed saying it will be prone to dill rings and thin walls I'm just wondering why?? The pollinator was 20.72% over the charts, The offspring of the polinator mostly went heavy. I'm not sure if there is a way to do a query on the aggc on this type of thing or not, After working on computers all day I don't even want to try!

Steve

1/16/2006 7:51:15 PM

Mn

We haven't seed the 1469 perform yet so we just don't know.

1/16/2006 8:40:30 PM

Norton, MA

I wasn't saying the 1469 would deffinately go light, what was the pollinator? If it was that heavy then they might just cancel eachother out. The 1469 could have also just been a fluke in the 1354 offspring too, the regular 1354 genes may have been passed on into the 1469's offspring. The 1354 has what, a couple progeny? We don't know much on that one either. Just looking at the fruit though, it would be at least semilikely that the bad would be passed on. AleX Noel.

1/16/2006 9:15:09 PM

Plymouth,ma

alex , 1104.5 hester is pollinator

1/16/2006 9:38:29 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

Just a nu-B's...(yes B stands for blood)... $ .02 here, but one thing that I have read over and over and over again...is that out of any cross, there are no 2 identical seeds!!! Waaay toooo many genetic combinations to make rock solid predictions of outcome of any 1 seed. All input appreciated. Peace, Wayne

1/16/2006 10:42:58 PM

Utah

A lot of heavy fruit - have had light fruit in their background.

here is an example that I know of first hand where the female was light.

963 Stucker 02 was 13% light.
The cross is 801 Stelts x 935 Lloyd

it grew the following fruit:
1082 Mackinnon 03- 4 % heavy.
965 Dable 05- I don't know if it was heavy or light . but his largest fruit to date.
906 Tanner 04- 5% heavy - Utah State record in 2004.
819 Trumm 04- Unknow % heavy.
815 Blaziek 04- 6% heavy.
647 Israelsen 04- 1 % heavy.

it is strange but it seems to me that except in a few cases there is no correlation or even a inversly proportional relationship between % heavy in the female and % heavy in the next generation.

1/17/2006 10:23:27 AM

Eastern Pennsylvania

don't forget the effect of the hot weather we had in the east last year, the 1469's genes could have nothing to do with how it went to the charts.

1/17/2006 10:33:57 AM

maine USA

Can I ask what the hot weather has to do with it? ? Thinner walls?

1/17/2006 3:26:23 PM

Norton, MA

We have semiconcluded that the widespread very low seed counts this year were due to the heat (though I don't neccessarilly go with that). This may affect wall thickness, as it takes alot of water, but everbody didn't have consistently light to the chart pumpkins last year. AleX Noel.

1/17/2006 6:21:52 PM

Syracuse, NY

i personally think that the fruit may grow faster under
"hi-heat" conditions, not allowing the fruit itself
to enmass the thicker walls and internal "debris"
that MAY be more pronounced in a fruit that was grown
in a cooler climate.
in other words, that "rolling stone" gathers less moss.

1/17/2006 6:33:25 PM

Gilbertsville PA

I am no expert, but maybe the 1469 still had alot of growth left to it and thats why it went light, the vine on the stem was realy green . Maybe it just needed more time to thicken up, the seed should do good, I will take any 1469's nobody wants to plant.

1/17/2006 7:24:08 PM

Greencastle, PA

I was looking at all of the 1000+ lb pumpkins from last year and noticed that many of them were grown in the pacific northwest. The names Holland, LaRue, and Daletas semmed to come up often. I thought that was an interesting trend that could be looked into more.

1/17/2006 8:36:40 PM

Ohio

903 Dill went light, (802 Dill x 810 Dill) and it was really light in color as well. I dont think the 903 will produce all light pumpkins that are white, Id venture to say the 903 will produce a pretty nice color orange(even though it was light) that may or will go heavy to OTT.

Forgot to mention this was another 05 seed im growing.

Brooks

1/19/2006 6:35:43 PM