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Greencastle, PA

In every post regarding pollinators for the 1097 I have advised against crossing it with the 1432 or selfed 1432's. The reason that I wouldn't make that cross is that the 1097 seems prone to splitting and also don't weigh exceptionally heavy to the charts. The 1097 is an amazing seed, and I think it could be even better if some thicker walls and reduced splitting are bred into it. Some of the 898 Knauss crosses would add both of those characteristics. Remember that the 1097 is a 723/845 Bobier cross and consider how 845/898 crosses (1068 Wallace and 1104 Hester to name two) have performed. Of course the 898 is a rare seed that is hard for most growers to obtain, however there have been some great crosses made with a ton of 898 in their backgrounds. Ones that come to mind are:
1314 Beauchemin (one of my favorite crosses of 2005)
1156 Larsen (this seed has produced a few over 1000, including the 1291 Rodonis. The 1062 Rivard used as the polinator re-enforces the 1006 Greer genes already present in the 898)
Some others that should be good, but have less 898 are:
1173 Macari
720 Noel
and obviously the 1068 and 500 Wallace.
I should probably go to sleep at some point tonight, so I'm going to end my rambling there. I'd love to hear others' thoughts on this subject.
Tom

1/28/2006 2:49:03 AM

Ohio

Tom,I think you gotta tweak the 1097 just right so then she wont split on you,lol, No seriously though,this is one of my favorite seeds that I think gets somewhat of a bad rap on splitting and that it only produces a ugly white yellow pumpkin. Look how many times the 1097 has been grown compared to other seeds. Do you think that would bring the percentage up more for splitting maybe? I dont know really,but id like to see something on how many times it was grown and how many times it split and compare it to other seeds that was grown that split also. I could be wrong on this but i think the percentages will just about equal out. What you think?

1/28/2006 5:25:10 AM

Massillon, Ohio

"In every post regarding pollinators for the 1097 I have advised against crossing it with the 1432 or selfed 1432's"

after a quick look at the progeny of the 1097, i see i am the only one listed who has crossed it with the 1432. maybe others have and arent listed, but i am taking your statement personally. LOL. j/kidding. guess you think i blew it but oh well.

1/28/2006 9:23:11 AM

Mt Vernon Ky

what do you guys think about crossing the 1097 with a 582 hester or a 1458 or the 1156 Larsen or self

1/28/2006 11:15:46 AM

wisconsin rapids WI

I crossed the 1097 into the 1104 hester last year this year I was thinking of throughing som squash genetics into my 1104x1097 like the 895 hester

1/28/2006 11:55:55 AM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

I like the 500 Beauchemim, 1314 Beauchemin, and 1150 Delatas(1180 Delatas X 898 Knauss) as possible pollinators.
I'd probably lean towards the 500 Beauchemin, as it's been proven.
Another thought would be to use something with 1260 Weir in it's background, to add wall thickness. Maybe the 307 Little, 709 McCallum.
I like the Knauss genetics better, in this case, though.

1/28/2006 2:10:22 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

Also, how about an 898 Knauss X self seed, such as the 753 Pappas?

1/28/2006 2:31:44 PM

Ohio

Uhhhhhh OHHHHHH Tom,,,,,,,psssttt, Hey, pssstttt,,, Christy (Basebell7) did that cross this year,,,,lol, j/k

1/28/2006 2:42:17 PM

Greencastle, PA

I wouldn't say you blew it, both your 1097 and 1432 grew some nice ones this year, but didn't your 1432 split? Your crosses have potential, but I think that throwing in some 898 or the 1260 like doug mentioned would make it a lot better. Brooks, I agree that the 1097 is an awesome seed, I don't recall saying that it wasn't. I remember Tom Beachy telling me that it doesn't have a risk of splitting, it has a risk of growing too fast.

1/28/2006 3:36:35 PM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

There is a purpose to Christy's cross... it might just be the
closest thing to a 1097 itself. Now that I can get this seed
(the 1032 Dieff) in fact I do plan to cross it with the 500
Beauchemin.

I guess my point is that some crosses are made for the
following year, and others are made for longer term plans.

1/28/2006 10:48:49 PM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

Having said that, I have every hope that the 1032 will do
very well indeed...

1/28/2006 10:50:29 PM

Syracuse, NY

hey, VIC--i crossed the 1097.5 by the 582 Hester---
if i had more room i would give it a shot in no time!

1/29/2006 2:49:57 AM

Ohio

Tom, no, no, no, no, .lol I wasnt saying you said it Tom, I was just saying about the bad rap it takes, sorry about that.

1/29/2006 5:17:06 AM

Greencastle, PA

I understand, I was just agreeing with you that it's an awesome seed. Cliff seems to have a good plan... I hope he remembers to send me some seeds.
Tom

1/29/2006 2:29:59 PM