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Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

I'm wondering if anyone has noticed a trend, regarding plant characteristics, being passed on more prominantly from the male or the female? Or does it seem to be 50/50?
For instance, if you crossed a male with large leaves and high plant vigor, with a female with small-med.-sized leaves, and low plant vigor, what do you think you'd get? Or is it a "crap shoot"?
Even if you only have one example to share, maybe with enough responses, we could see a trend.

10/19/2006 11:17:42 PM

Hampshire, UK

The way genetics works means that the same genes will be passed on through female flowers or pollen from male flowers. Therefore the characteristics are no more likely to go with the female or male flower. If we had separate male and female plants then we could see a difference between the two sexes with sex linked genes but this is not the case.

10/20/2006 1:56:36 AM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

Thanks for your reply Malc. So are you saying that with plants that carry both male and female parts, traits aren't sex linked, but random?

10/20/2006 2:39:54 AM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

It would be interesting to find out if certain genes are inherited together, in maxima sp. squash. I imagine if we could pick the mind of a squash breeder, we might learn some interesting things.

10/20/2006 2:51:54 AM

That State Up North

I suspect very little in the way of sex linkage for our cucurbits. The difference between a male and female flower are developmental genes aresting either carpels and ovules, or inner perianth tissues (that would give rise to anthers).
Speculation may be made as to the role of cytoplasmic inheritance playing a role in female parent associated traits or possible dominance.


Nic Welty

10/20/2006 2:58:35 AM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

English Nic....lol we are just pumpkin growers

10/20/2006 6:51:20 AM

President - GPC

Nic, Email sent your way.

10/20/2006 8:32:03 AM

President - GPC

Look at the redundant pollinations in the 1068, 845, Lloyd's, Gervais's, Browns. The selfing.... Repeated genetics to refine the dominant genes. Then throw in a random, open so we dont grow six toes.....I think this is the key! I havent yet tried following the earlier genetics of the Wallace but I would bet the earlier growers used their own repeated genetic seeds to carry on their genetics refining, and combining dominance to the strain all very interesting.

10/20/2006 8:57:23 AM

President - GPC

Wow, check out the genetic lines on the 1068, then I had an idea lining out the 898, at first it is unique then gets into some of the same genetic lines and heavy on the Holland. Im thinking what a cross, the 1068 X 898....1068 X Holland.....I do think Joel got a 1068.....Hmmmm

10/20/2006 9:10:09 AM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

This is a recurring theme: Take a good line and inbreed it for a few generations, then bring in something new. Some of our best seeds were created this way. It doesn't always work, but sometimes it does.

Unfortunately, I'm not on AGGC like in the past, so I'm not up to date on the 1068 or several other good seeds today. But, I volunteer. Someone send me a 1068 and 898 I promise to cross them. (lol)

10/20/2006 11:39:57 AM

Rockland

I DID A CONTROLLED POLLINATION TO TEST THIS QUESTION.I CROSSED TWO VERY DIFFERENT PLANTS.A SEMI-BUSH BUTTERSTICK SQUASH & A RUNNING VINE PUMPKIN.I TOOK A MALE PUMPKIN FLOWER & POLLINATED A FEMALE SQUASH.THEN USING THE SAME TWO PLANTS DID THE REVERSE CROSS.IN 2007 I WILL PLANT THE SEEDS & SEE THE RESULTS.MY MAIN GOAL IS TO SEE IF THE OFFSPRING FAVORS THE "MOTHER" PLANT MORE.
IF ANY ONE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART IN THIS EXPERIMENT I HAVE PLENTY OF SEEDS.JUST EMAIL ME.
I HAVE PICTURES OF THE THE PUMPKIN & SQUASH FROM WHICH THE SEEDS WILL COME FROM TO HELP NOTE RESULTS IN OFFSPRING.

10/21/2006 9:49:42 PM