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Central Pennsylvania lauralie1978@yahoo.com

The parents of the seed are usually listed one over top of the other. The top parent is usually the mother plant and the bottom parent is usually the pollinator unless otherwise noted, right?

Example:
1706 Dressler (daydreaming again...lol)
981 Zunio
X
1101 Northrup

Zunio would be the mother plant and Northrup would be the pollinator right? I just want to make sure I understand this correctly.

2/2/2007 4:40:59 AM

yup,,mom is always first

(dreaming is a good thing)

2/2/2007 5:15:49 AM

Picton,ON (j.vincent@xplornet.ca)

Actually folks, when the parents are listed 981 Zunino X 1101 Northrup, that is correct the first name is the momma. However on a family tree the bottom name is the momma, top is pappa so I would intruprit a seed packet listed this way the same, top pappa, bottom momma, At least this is the way most are recorded!

2/2/2007 1:12:05 PM

Long Island,New York

Ive seen many a seedpack reversed. The best way is mother first...father second and put a (f) after mother and a (m) after father for female and male.

2/2/2007 4:49:01 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

I have noticed the difference also...seed packs list mother on top...and the genetic trees list the father (pollinator) in the upper half of the brackets...why is this? Peace, Wayne
ps...at least the genetic trees show (m) (f)...usually!

2/2/2007 8:07:14 PM

Riverton, WY

Something that always confuses me when the labels are m & f is m could stand for mother or male, and f can stand for father or female.

2/3/2007 8:51:57 AM

Central Pennsylvania lauralie1978@yahoo.com

Oh boy... How accurate are the genetic records of our pumpkins....

2/3/2007 10:04:48 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

The chances that no one ever did a sloppy closed pollination in the past 6-8 generations is slim at best. But we can trace many seeds lineage back to the '80's.

I just followed the 1502 Wallace on the mothers side back as far as I could go at AGGC.

1502 Wallace '06 - 1068 Wallace '03 - 845 Bobier '00 - 935 Lloyd '97 - 875 Lloyd '96 - 687 Lloyd '95 - 614 Neilly '94 - 725 Stellpflug '93 - 589 Nesbit '89* - 574 Mitchell '87* - 671 Gancarz '86 - 390 Gancarz '84

So this is 12 generations spanning 22 years. Interestingly there are two all green squash in the hierarchy.

I'll wager a guess that for the past 4-5 generations the pollinations have been more controlled than at any time in the history of giants. I've discussed this with Ed Gancarz who in the '80's always let the bees handle his pollination chores. The genetics in a growers field back then were controlled only by what he was growing that year.

2/3/2007 12:15:06 PM