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maine USA

I have seen posts now and then which say something like example: when the 723 is on the female side the offspring go large. Does it really make a difference if the same Example 723 is on the female or the male side, 723 x 898, vs 898 x 723? I was under the impression the both parents donate equal genetics, am I wrong? Does the female have more influence on certain traits? thanks KathyT

2/11/2007 11:23:15 PM

Eastern Pennsylvania

Hi Kathy, I was wondering somewhat the same thing about orangeness. It would be interesting if someone could search the AGGC and sort data for certain traits. The results will probably be inconclusive though. I can at least tell you that the 125 Wolf is an example where the 723 was the male pollinator and still has proven multiple heavy 1000+ pumpkins. Jim

2/12/2007 12:30:31 PM

Rhode Island

kathy
offspring tend to pick up more from the male pollinator rather than the mother in my opinion. at least thats what i have experienced.
it is for that reason that growers put so much thought and effort into obtaining the seed they want to use as a male pollinator.
for example if you have a seed that grows big but is not an attractive color you may pick a pollinator that will bring out a change in its offspring color.

likewise you may have a seed you are planting that has a history of throwing a very pretty pumpkin but would like to add size and are not concerned with a possible change in the color ( or shape )

also people pick pollinators for shape of the father and average weights compaired to charts, etc.

pap

2/12/2007 12:51:06 PM

Jim having a little experience with the 125 I have done alot of thinking about what exactly has been the contributing factor to it's early success. It could be the agressive pollinator or possibly just the combination of the 846 X 723 genetics again. The most obvious example of that pairing is the 842 Eaton although there are others that have also produced proven seeds.

After spending the winter "bugging" growers with far more experience and a better understanding of the genetics side of things, I would say pap has pretty much hit it on the head with his explanation (as he usually does).

I have a few seeds of my own to grow this year and I'll be very interested seeing the results and hope to draw more conclusions then. I don't buy into the crap shoot theory but with the gene pool limited at this point it's a tough call for now.

2/12/2007 1:58:01 PM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

It's really hard to know.

Take your kids (if you have some) for example. Some look like their dad and some like their mom. And again, perhaps the only thing we know with any certainty is that each seed (likened to kids, in this case) in a fruit is different.

2/12/2007 3:28:52 PM

Hudsonville, Michigan (michiganpumpkins@sbcglobal.net)

I tend to like seeing color come in from the pollinator side. But I have no scientific proof for that.
I tend to think that whether the mother or pollinator dominates the traits of the offspring depends on which is the more homozygous seed to start with. I don't think you can say it is always the mother that influences these traits, or always the pollinator that influences those...sometimes it just depends on how the genes 'nick.'

2/12/2007 9:49:30 PM

Rhode Island

if i was a basket ball nut id pick a 7 ft 10 in center for my pollinator rather than a point guard. lol pap

2/13/2007 9:49:31 AM

North Smithfield, RI USA

How about doing a reverse cross in addition to your regular cross ?

2/13/2007 6:12:40 PM

Rhode Island

a reverse cowgirl ?

2/13/2007 7:07:46 PM

Nashville, TN

Biologically speaking:

Chloroplasts are inherited directly from mother to offspring. These contain their own set of DNA. Chloroplasts are found in all above-ground portions of the squash plant, including the fruit. Chloroplasts are the chlorophyl and energy production factories within each cell...

This said, Genes within the nucleus of the cell is made up of equal portions of DNA from each parent. Every gene from one parent has a corresponding gene with the other - some are recessive, some dominant. These genes can cause the 'turning off' of the chlorophyl production within the chloroplasts. (think of the company owner - calling the factory to tell them to stop production)

This system is extremely complex - most of you would go to sleep if I went more indeptly into the subject. But sorry guys, in both mammals and plants, the Momma contributes approx 60% of total cellular DNA by weight.

2/13/2007 7:20:36 PM

Rhode Island

men rule lol

2/13/2007 11:00:50 PM

maine USA

Now Pap, I think that the teacher is saying that momma rules! Now please behave yourself, and enjoy a piece of cheese! lol Kathyt

2/14/2007 4:06:20 PM

President - GPC

Does that mean if it doesnt work out that its the females fault since they have 60% ?

2/14/2007 4:53:07 PM

Pemberton, BC

Bingo!!

2/14/2007 6:34:03 PM

Marion,IN

reverse cowgirl....pap, have you've been doing any research in this area????? rotflmao

2/14/2007 8:40:36 PM

Rhode Island

I DO AFTER BEING MARRIED 45 YEARS REALIZE WITH OUT A DOUBT THAT WOMEN HAVE A VERY HEAVY INFLUENCE ON ANYTHING A MAN DOES.

LIKE MY WIFE SAYS " YOU RULE THE ROOST BUT I RULE THE ROOSTER. SAD BUT TRUE. IM 6 FT 1 AND SHES ALL OF 5 FT 4 SOAKING WET BUT YOU WOULDSWEAR SHES 7 FT 2 AT TIMES.

BIG BRAVE MEN,WILTING IN THE PRESENCE OF " THE LITTLE WOMAN"
60 PERCENT? ID SAY ITS MORE LIKE 80 -20

AND YES MARK,EVEN AFTER ALL THESE YEARS YOU ARE NEVER TO OLD TO LEARN. LOL

PAP

2/14/2007 9:11:32 PM

maine USA

You are a very smart man Pap. LOL KathyT

2/14/2007 9:25:36 PM

President - GPC

Pap,

TheWiz wife said one more outa me like the last one will be the last one........lol SO the female does carry the weight forward....hmmmm and is very important as far as the jeans are concerned,,,,,,,

2/15/2007 9:03:37 AM

Litchfield N. H. 03052

Pap, I'am not to far behind you (43 years). A smart man figures out earily in life who the TRUE boss is . Got to go the boss is calling.

2/15/2007 9:50:11 AM

Montoursville, PA

I studied and worked for a genetic program to earn some college bucks. If mice have anything to do with it I would say when the female is receptive her needs are met. What comes out in the offspring can be tilted just about anyway you choose to use words and numbers. The same school and the same mice are still being studied. Hopefully they have learned that the only consistancy is the noted inconsistancy. My guess is the same might be concluded in our amateur study and conclusions to date in our patches.
....We pumpkin growers still have to deal with the female lobe count and the fact that any specific seed once found on the bottom mixed with the others gives us a 4 -1 to 7 - 1 odds that we would have the same seed to plant that we planted last year........or something like that.

2/15/2007 10:14:17 AM

Long Island,New York

So Wiz...yer saying your wife is fat and has big jeans because of it????...explain....

2/15/2007 10:39:44 AM

maine USA

It really is amazing how threads tend to stray from the original topic on this website. I love it. LOL KathyT

2/15/2007 12:06:19 PM

President - GPC

Ah now Im in the dog house again.....at least it has cable!

2/15/2007 2:09:15 PM

North Smithfield, RI USA

If a woman shift's her vehicle into reverse and stalls out----Is she a reverse cowgirl ? And she's wearing a Stetson and Jeans ( size unknown ) !!!!

2/15/2007 7:04:39 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

Wiz, hope that doghouse has heat, and a snowblower too!!! LOL Peace,Wayne

2/15/2007 10:54:28 PM

President - GPC

lol

2/16/2007 4:40:56 PM

ExtremeVegetables.com

[quote]This system is extremely complex - most of you would go to sleep if I went more indeptly into the subject. But sorry guys, in both mammals and plants, the Momma contributes approx 60% of total cellular DNA by weight.[/quote]


I'm no genetic expert but while searching for combinations of the 1068, one thing I noticed is that crosses made with the 1068 on the female side, tend to go larger than if they were the pollenator.

2/17/2007 6:47:11 AM