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Rhode Island

have not see any chatter this winter regarding plant cloning.

is this a dead issue or does someone have something going? and if so how is it growing?

pap

2/21/2007 4:44:15 PM

Logan Utah

pap i plan on cloning you 1502 so i can use it for more crosses next year.

2/21/2007 10:39:12 PM

Napa Valley, CA

Dick.....I do not know of anyone who is doing a clone this year.
Maybe you should give a 1450 to the first 5 growers who offer to clone it.
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2/22/2007 2:16:12 AM

Colo.Spgs.CO. Pikes Peak Chapter @ spacemaster400@earthlink.net

I have often wondered with pumpkin weights going up why indeed is the art of cloning/propagating some cuttings from a silver bullet producer not happening?? I do not know the answer to this question,but if I lived anywhere near where these biggies with silver bullet genes are growing, I would most definately be on a mission to get some cuttings for propagation. It is a lot of work keeping the plants alive all winter which is the reason I would only put this effort into a proven producer. The last time I put effort into cloning was in 2000 when the Colorado record was set, and Madman Marc and myself worked on keeping the silver bullet plant alive. I myself was successful in keeping a plant alive for 2 winters but it was lots of work and I learned a lot about indoor propagation.
( http://www.pumpkinnook.com/howto/clone2.htm )
In the link above you can see me displaying how well a clone can root. Pap if I lived anywhere near you last year within 100 miles, I probably would have visited your patch at 3 in the morning and rounded up some cuttings.lol, but the shotgun probably would have been waiting for me also.....lol. No... I bet you would have gladly gave me some pruned vines you threw into the compost pile or trash can....One mans trash is another man's treasure..JK

2/22/2007 2:49:31 AM

Colo.Spgs.CO. Pikes Peak Chapter @ spacemaster400@earthlink.net

It has been 24 hrs since I posted last, I figured some clone person would have posed here. I guess there were no silver bullet plants cloned last season, either that or it could be it is a top secret subject on who is doing what clone and for what reason ??....Kind of like area 51 and Roswell...

2/23/2007 3:14:28 AM

ExtremeVegetables.com

I've been told that an AG taken as a cutting can not produce the rooting that the basil crown roots do.
I can't understand why it wouldn't considering most other plants do just fine as cuttings and produce rooting systems which are comparible to those off of the main.

2/23/2007 7:16:02 AM

President - GPC

Looks like we gotta prove em wrong James. Email me about it, Ive been chattin with Ole LongBeard about it and we want to try cloning the 845 this year......

2/23/2007 8:44:24 AM

ExtremeVegetables.com

joe pukos

this year im going to grow a clone in the back seat of my car so i can take it with me when i visit your patch.

would it be better in a convertable for more sun light or should i just hang some grow lights from the inside of the roof?

how about music ? should i play hard rock, dico,country @western? or, the disney classic "when you wish upon a star"?

also how would you reccommend i water for maximum effect?
spray bottles? one gallon pump sprayer straped into the front seat? 25 gal drum with electric pump? soaker hose hooked up to the windshield washer system?

2/23/2007 10:18:23 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

After having kept cuttings 2 years in a row, I've decided it wasn't worth the energy I spent heating the greenhouse. I had never expected to GROW a big specimen on a cutting. Rather I did it for the pollen of genetics from seeds I could not yet obtain. Face it; many growers will never see a 723 Bobier seed let alone plant one. But getting a cutting from someone ese might be reasonable.

For me, the cuttings never established the sort of root structure needed to sustain mqajor league growth. Ironically, by midseason one year our 2 primary plants were beaten down by Mosaic Virus & the 845 Bobier cutting still didn't have a fruit on it (grown for pollen). So after the virus innoculation period subsided I set a fruit on the cutting which grew our best for that year at 281 lbs.

Had I place that cutting in a primary hill & not had to deal with the Mosaic I'm sure it was capable of better things.

Where is Marc "Madman" Sawtelle? I thought he was back online.

2/23/2007 10:33:54 AM

President - GPC

Tremor,
Trying to get a hold of madman. Without a good greenhouse, and plenty of light and nominal temps... I would think that problems would persist, just like I get when I try to bring in geraniums in and get nothing but bugs. Just very hard to reproduce the intensity of sunlight with electric lighting.....or cool temps

2/23/2007 11:04:43 AM

Long Island,New York

You do not need a bsal crown to grow a big pumpkin...just ask the Wallaces. A clone can grow a 1000lb pumpkin...just ask Claude. Clones can be kept indoors....just keep them well lit and cool. You dont want rapid growth or even good growth...you want to keep them alive enough....just enough. You will fight mildew...mold....white flies...aphids....fungus gnats...and in the end all your leaves will burn to a crisp in sunlight when you put them outside unless you protect them with shade--but don't worry...the growing tip will make more leaves. Do not use garden soil....too many bugs that will have nothing but your clone to eat.I kept my 502 growing through 3 seasons....kept a 935Lloyd over the winter and repollinated the cross I made with it the previous year (mothered?....southerned?...lol). Play with it...you'll get it to work.....but it is work.

2/23/2007 12:58:42 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

I'm with Glenn on keeping them slow. Rapid growth just means more repotting &/or more cuttings for yourself or other growers. This depends on your goals.

2/23/2007 1:31:44 PM

ExtremeVegetables.com

In order to keep them more compact during winter growth temperature DIF could possibly be utilized.
Also experimenting with B-Nine or Cycocel may prove to be beneficial.

2/23/2007 2:02:34 PM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

If there were some way to ship a cutting, I think we'd see a lot more of it. Right now, the only way to do a clone is to do it yourself, or share it with someone in your town. Or, find some way to do a road trip.

Whoever grows the world record next year, what they should do is make a whole bunch of cuttings before allowing the plant to die, and then they could "distribute" them to other interested growers, as long as those growers can find a way to pick it up in person.

2/23/2007 3:28:00 PM

Waitakere New Zealand

with regard to B-Nine and other growth regulators you need to be careful as the effect can last for a long time, with chrysanthemums the effect of b-nine lasts into the third generation of cuttings for the growth but does not effect the size of flowers. I don't know about it effecting the size of fruit but as the plant does not grow to its full potential it may effect fruit size by restricting growth?

2/23/2007 3:46:46 PM

ExtremeVegetables.com

pigeon, I agree. I never heard of it being used for growing AG's and it is not recommended to be used on vegetable crops grown for human consumption but we won't be eating it.

Other plant varieties such as vegetative petunias and geraniums need applications frequently, even weekly to achieve the desired effect.

The wave petunias that you see that are nice and compact with abundant flowers are more than likely the result of B-nine applications. B-Nine doesn't seem to have an effect on flower size in petunias either.

One would have to experiment with the amount of application and ppm of the solution being used.

I'm not sure about the plant not growing to its full potential. Plants that I have seen which were treated with B-nine have much more foliage and flowers than the untreated plants I have seen. The untreated plants may look larger because they are more stretchy with a longer distance between nodes.
There are similar products which do the opposite such as Pro-Gibb T & O which increases plant size through increased stem elongation and petal expansion.

2/23/2007 4:11:21 PM

President - GPC

Cliff,
James has sent clones out with success across the nation....
Gary

2/23/2007 4:44:08 PM

Ontario, Canada.

I grew a clone from a seed started in December of 2004 off a seed from my 695* grown that summer. I nursed the plant along from pot to pot in the basement until it finally went outside into a cold frame with my other seed started plants in the spring of 2005.

I do not agree with the prior comments about small root systems. You would have to prove that to me! In fact this clone was the best performer in my patches that summer until a blossom end split ended its growth in late July. By the first week in August it had grown to 555* in a small area of only about 400sq.ft.

2/24/2007 6:51:35 AM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

Wow, that would take some expert packaging to make a pumpkin plant survive the mail! Someone should document this.

2/24/2007 9:35:06 AM

Carrollton, Ga.

Hi,
Nic W. had me ship him 2ft long tips of the vines. I cut off all the leaves except at the growing tip. He then roots them in the green house. We shipped them overnight in a shipping tube.
There is an article somewhere about shipping clones with roots. If I can find it I will post the link.

Take care,
Doug
Jn. 3:16

2/24/2007 12:06:34 PM