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East Lyme CT.

What DMGs have been grown to become "proven" seeds?

12/4/2007 5:38:18 PM

Mn

1097 beachy

12/4/2007 8:51:31 PM

Greencastle, PA

500 Wallace

12/4/2007 11:46:44 PM

Ohio

1097 wasn't a DMG was it? 500 Wallace wasn't ether? Your talking about damaged pumpkins? I could be totally wrong on this though.

12/5/2007 5:59:30 AM

southwest MO

I think the 1432 C&P fits...

12/5/2007 9:25:37 AM

Nova Scotia

Thank you for bringing this subject forward and one that requires some input. DMG, UOW, EST are symbols used most frequently by growers. "UOW" unofficial weight, represents, I believe, a sound pumpkin weighed but not at an official weigh-off? "EST" estimated weight, basically a sound pumpkin not weighed, just approximate weight according to it's total inches.
"DMG" damaged signifies hole, splits, etc. (weighed or not, I do not know). If I recall, 723 Bobier was a 'uow', 500 Northrup 'est'. Yes, 'uow' and 'est' seeds have been some of the best in the World.
Personally, I do not like the 'dmg' designation on seed as it may turn off growers from growing it. Any suggestions on a more appropriate universal symbol for the future, please post. Thanks, Danny

12/5/2007 2:45:59 PM

Mn

1097 wasn't classified as damaged...but aperenlty it was a liilte rotten from what i hear.

12/5/2007 2:52:17 PM

Cornwall UK.(50N 5W)300ft.

I dunno,I had a fruit with a blossom end split in 2005,it was obviously dmg,but I weighed it on bathroom scales so it was classified on aggc as uow thats what the entry form at the time seemed to tell me to do,maybe I read it wrong but theres others on there like it.
DMG does put me off growing a seed some of them have gone on to produce DMG offspring however I didn't buy any 1041 McKie seeds last year because I thought the pollinator produced a DMG regretting that now lol.

12/5/2007 3:56:13 PM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

Thanks for your post Danny. Somewhere, we ought to have a "pumpkin constitution" where these terms are defined. For UOW, you had a question mark. I would say that UOW means that the fruit was weighed but not on a certified scale, or without witnesses. Whether it is at a weighoff or not is irrelevant in my opinion. (What is a weighoff?)

I also think we discount DMG fruit without justification in most cases. Perhaps it blew up because it was growing too fast, but isn't that a trait that desirable on some levels? That is, if we ignore all fast growing genes, where will that get us? The challenge would be to make the fruit grow at a pace that gets maximum growth without blowing it up.

This opens to the concept... => Why was it DMG?

My 604.5 last year was DMG only because I foolishly tried lifting it from the actual blossom when the fruit was just under the size of a basketball. The blossom came off in my hand. The fruit continued to grow and only developed the smallest of holes right where the blossom should have been, in the last week of the season. The point is, there are different reasons for being DMG:

1. Grower error. (sign me up for this!)
2. Growth stress at blossom end.
3. Growth stress at stem end.
4. Unexplained rot from the inside.
5. Damage from critters.

Of course, the list could go on...

12/5/2007 3:58:32 PM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

I would also mention that you can combine classifications. That is, you can have EST DMG or UOW DMG on the same fruit.

12/5/2007 4:04:52 PM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

Eh, probably cause oodles of confusion, but:

DMG - Generic damage classification
DGE - Damage due to grower error
DSB - Damage due to stress at blossom
DSS - Damage due to stresss at stem
DCR - Damage due to internal crack stress
DRB - Damage due to stress at rib
DRT - Damage due to rot or "soft spots"
DAN - Damage due to animals

May need to revisit that last one...

12/5/2007 4:37:17 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

When there's a DMG pumpkin listed on the AGGC, many growers specify, in the comments section, what kind of damage. This is very helpful...I wish all would do this. If a relatively large percentage of the progeny of a pumpkin are DMG, I think it turns some growers off to that seed.

12/5/2007 4:40:36 PM

Belgium Europe

DAMN- Damage due to chain broke when lifting.lol

12/5/2007 4:52:50 PM

lol jos- now thats a good one

12/5/2007 4:55:16 PM

Ohio

that would be a CLE jos! Chain lifting error, Ha!

12/5/2007 5:00:06 PM

Ohio

Doug, I never heard that before about the 1097, you mean it was rotten and they still weighed it as offical? Or did it rot later after it was weighed? It was weighed at a offical weigh off wasnt it?
Tom might chime in, he would know better then anyone I think.

12/5/2007 5:05:41 PM

Western NY

brooks- it started leaking after it was taken off the scale. big discussions about it back in the day.

I agree i like to know why a pumpkin went DMG. I know at least one or two of mine were grower error. Live and learn.

12/5/2007 5:18:37 PM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

Jos,

I knew someone was going to add that one... lol

12/5/2007 5:21:25 PM

Indiana

1097 is old news lets leave it at that

12/5/2007 5:53:00 PM

Cornwall UK.(50N 5W)300ft.

If theres anything at stake I like to see them weighed at a public event,this may make me a bad person for not believing what everybody tells me all of the time.

12/5/2007 6:09:03 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

The ABCs of DMG:

DMG/D = Animal Damage
DMG/E = Grower Error
DMG/F = Grew Too Fast
DMG/G = Genetics
DMG/H = Too Much H20
DMG/I = Inside/Outside Rot

Just thinking out loud, BF

12/5/2007 9:29:32 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

PS. DMG/J = Jos Lifting Strap Break...Sorry, LOL.

12/5/2007 9:32:10 PM

Rexburg, Idaho (brianchristensenmd@gmail.com )

705 Stelts fits that description.

12/5/2007 11:02:48 PM

Long Island,New York

1334Daletas

12/6/2007 6:20:36 AM

East Lyme CT.

I am still looking. What DMGs have became proven seeds?

12/7/2007 8:09:09 PM

Netherlands

1195 Van Kooten - 2 over 1000 (1208)
1125 Frantz - 2 over 1000 (1200)
1073 Companion - 2 over 1000 (1173)


and probably many more.

12/8/2007 3:14:23 AM

Marshfield, Ma, USA

1340dmg Kline

12/13/2007 4:32:12 PM