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Eddyz@efirehose.net

I'm curious as to why the 1231 Pukos has not been planted as much as the 998. I know the 998 did good, But I actually think the 1231 should and could be the better of two.

12/4/2008 4:44:55 PM

well I didn't have either so that's why I didn't grow one over the other :-)

but you could be right eddy,,I see fewer fruit with flaws off the 1231 and they seem to heavier,,,good question

12/4/2008 5:30:53 PM

Colorado

Probably because the 998.6 grew some monsters the first year-it got the upper hand over the 1231.Does seem like the 1231 does produce higher % of nice long fruit.I'm giving my 998.6 away(already spoken for) cause I'm scared of those tall concave blossums.

12/4/2008 7:30:46 PM

Greencastle, PA

Eddy,
The 1230 you sent me a couple of years ago was one of the most impressive plants that I've grown. Unfortunately, I blew everything up in 2007!

I would plant a 1231 before a 998 because I prefer the 567 Mombert mitochondrial DNA over the 898 Knauss mitochondrial DNA. Remember, this DNA is only passed on from the mother. The 567 Mombert was a top producer for about a decade, and many of its offspring have shown the potential to grow 2000+ lbs of pumpkins on a single plant. For example, Steve Daletas grew his 1230 and 1016 on the 705 Stelts plant and Tom Beachy had an 846 Calai plant with more than 2500 lbs on a single plant.

Tom

12/4/2008 7:42:43 PM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

Tom
Exactly the way I was thinking, Having the 898 on the father's side and the 567 Mombert on the Mother's, It's a known fact the 898 is a great pollinator.
Plus the 1231 produces a longer better shaped fruit, and doesn't have the blossom end like cojoe mentioned, and a bit heavier to scale.
Eddy

12/4/2008 7:57:28 PM

Western NY

I agree the 1231 still has some whoppers yet to be grown.

sooooo...... who's planning on growing the 1231 next year?

12/4/2008 8:19:05 PM

Leicester, NY

Eddy,
You make an excellent point and perhaps the jury is still out. I myself lean a bit towards the 998.6 and mostly because it seems the grow fruit for the most part, without flaws. I admit the concave blossom ends are a bit scary, but that’s off both seeds. The 1231 has grown a few fruit that have a sag line and that concerns me more the blossom area. Without doing any kind of sophisticated study, it would seem the 998.6 has slightly better odds of getting a pumpkin to the scales. On the AGGC site, out of the top 38 pumpkins off the 998.6 that are over 1000 pounds, there is only one listed as an estimated weight. The 1231 has 35 pumpkins listed on AGGC and 6 of those are listed in the dmg/uow/est categories. Not bad numbers either and certainly not taking into account the different growers and/or conditions any of the pumpkins may have encountered. Because the 1231 had quite a few seeds, I’ve sent out almost 3 times the number of those seeds over 998.6. So, there should be a ton of them out there waiting for soil. I hope you’re right Eddy.. I’ll have one of each in my 2009 patch and I’ll let you know which one seed wins, lol!

12/4/2008 8:58:05 PM

South East

You ask why its not planted that much, well after Quinn grew the 1446 the seed got hot right away, and the year after everyone planted it. i guess thats why.

12/4/2008 9:37:34 PM

Iowa

I grew my largest fruit to date from the 1231 Pukos, great shape and color. Went real heavy too.. I think they are both great seeds, but the 1231 will surpass the 998 in time. If anyone has one they won't plant send it my way, IT WILL SEE DIRT in 2009!

12/4/2008 9:55:37 PM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

Joe, 2 of those DMGs were rib splits, and one was a mouse, Only one that I found on the 1231 was a BES. Now in 06 Quinn grew the 998 to 1446, and then in 07 the world record, So on the side of the 1231, Kevin Marsh grew it in 07 to 1445.
I guess the shadow from Big Brother is hurting the 1231, but there will be a time when it will topple the 998, in my opinion.
S. Krug, email me

12/4/2008 10:22:41 PM

Ohio

The 1231 I grew this year had a heck of a con caved blossom end and I had no trobles with that area. My 1231 did end up ''dmg'' because a mouse ate up through the bottom of the pumpkin. Other then that it was solid and I had no other trobles with it.

Although the 998 and the 1231 both grow con caved blossom ends I havnt heard of any one blowing out a blossom end on a 998 or a 1231 Pukos.

12/4/2008 10:34:39 PM

Rhode Island

it difficult to split a blossom that tucked over on itself. the indented blossom does not scare me one bit.
pap

12/5/2008 5:10:25 AM

Gold Hill, Oregon

you guys lost me on the mitochondrial dna, dmg, and con caved blossom ends. what are they?

12/7/2008 11:15:50 PM

Springfield, Missouri

The 998 and 1231 would have the same dna attributes and flaws because they have the same two parents, Tom dose have it right the mitochondria are passed down by mothers. These mitochondrial lines could make a difference and it might be interesting to do a study with this and see if certin maternal lines such as the 567 have similar capabilities to produce more fruit.

Mitochondria are responsible for breaking down sugars into energy the cell can use called ATP. So this could very well be where the plant vigor comes from, or what keeps a fruit growing after 90+ days.

Good discussion,

Logan

12/7/2008 11:47:17 PM

Goffstown,nh

My 1082dmg from the 1231 in 2007 had the blossum end split.
The blossum end was irregular in shape from day ten and finally split in late September. It was a far better plant to manage than my 998 plant in 2008. My 998 this year had a fatal stem split at 800lbs. the plant suffered stump/vine rot early on also. I would consider either one again in 2009.

12/8/2008 8:31:20 PM

Westford, MA

My 3rd season growing AGs, so I'm still green as far as knowing about the family trees/vines of these bad boys.
I've heard of the 1068,998, 898,723, 1502, 1689,and a few other noted seeds, reading threads on BP, and appreciate all of the info. This thread gave me an extra tingle for the off season as I noticed an offspring of the 1231 Pukos in the stash I picked up at the NHGPGA seed swap last march.
Any info on what the #939 Kuhn '07 (1231 Pukos x 1103 Kuhn), looked liked or if it went heavy??
Thanks again and keep the family histories coming!!!
Thanks Jim, Kevin

12/10/2008 1:03:15 PM