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Joliet, IL

The 1385 Jutras 2007 was a pre-season favorite seed in the 2008 growing season and planted by many with great results. I believe many chose to grow it for the power on both sides. The 1385 lbs from the 1068 plant and the 1689 lbs grown off the 998 male pollinator plant. That totals 3074 lbs produced from the 2 plants making the cross. With that logic, here are 25 unproven seeds from 2008 that might also carry that dynamite power on both sides.

1500.5 Revier/2928.5 lbs., 1413.5 Werner/2897 lbs., 1255 van Kooten/2791.5 lbs., 1472.5 Werner/2737.0 lbs., 1264.5 Werner/2737.0 lbs, 1367 Sherwood/2716 lbs., 1459 Sundstrom/2707 lbs., 1331.5 Preiss (selfed cross)/2663 lbs., 1424.5 Werner/2661.5 lbs., 1404 Urena/2658 lbs., 1462 Holland/2652 lbs., 1343.5 Lyons/2643.5 lbs., 1305 Lyons/2643.5, 1381 Swarts/2609 lbs., 1260 Sherwood/2609 lbs., 1521.5 Werner/2608 lbs., 1370 Carlson-Peterson/ 2590 lbs., 1309 Hebb/2590 lbs., 1528 Starr/2578.5 lbs., 1065 Revier/2565.5 lbs., 1490.5 Rose/2565 lbs., 1281 Hebb/2543 lbs., 1262 Hebb/2543 lbs., 1272 Hilstolsky/2537.5 lbs., 1237.5 Werner/2502 lbs.

12/24/2008 1:12:27 PM

Joliet, IL

I believe these numbers are correct, but please correct me if I am wrong. Add more to the list if you know any others also. This info comes in handy for the seed auctions. I use this info of combined power pounds and take the average. if you average the combined total weights of the 1255 van Kooten you get 2791.5 lbs divided by 2= 1395.8 lbs. then i will calculate the average weight variances to the chart of those same 2 pumpkins produced by the crossing plants. for example, the 1255 van Kooten was 20.27% heavy and the 1142 van Kooten pollinator plant produced the 1536.5 van Kooten which was 9.14% heavy. so the 1255 combined variance is 20.27% heavy + 9.14% heavy divided by 2= 14.7% heavy combined variance to the ott charts. what does this all mean? a 1395.8 combined power pound weight average with a 14.7% heavy combined variance average equals a good chance for success in my book for the 1255 van Kooten.

With only 3 spaces to grow 600 sq ft plants in my patch, I am concentrating on growing mostly proven seeds. But it is always fun buying seeds in the auctions that might be hot seeds the next year and getting them for extremely discounted rates. Of coarse these are just a few tools I use when trying to predict what an unproved seed can do.
I look at the past proven success of the actual seeds in a cross and take that into account as well. a 227 Leland would never show up in the above info as a preseason power favorite.

take it for what it is worth, been awefully cold and snowy this week and work has been slow. lol.

12/24/2008 1:12:50 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

Interesting.
I think I heard Chad Revier say he was thinking of crossing his 1500.5 with the 1385 Jutras. That could be a great cross, based on your the numbers you came up with.

12/24/2008 8:49:01 PM

Alex, IN

If my plans work out I will cross the 1500.5 Revier with the 1413.5 Werner.

12/25/2008 7:39:12 AM

Colorado

shazz,dont forget 1568 connolly.2875 lbs for both parents

12/25/2008 12:47:32 PM

Joliet, IL

thanks cojoe. i didn't know the results of what the 1689 pollinator plant did in the 1568. it must have grown a 1307 to have 2875 lbs for both parents of the 1568.

12/25/2008 2:36:49 PM

That State Up North

What did the clone that pollinated the 1325 Starr grow in 2007? If it grew what I think it did then the 1325 comes in with an impressive 2849 power ranking score

12/29/2008 1:08:58 AM

Colorado

thats correct nick

12/29/2008 1:14:51 AM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

I'm a little confused here. The 1689 grew a 1395lb fruit so wouldn't the total of the 1568 Connolly be 2963? Are you adding the actual weight if the female (1385) to the weight of the best offspring from the pollinator( 1689 from the 998)= 3074.

12/29/2008 7:47:33 AM

Colorado

andy,the 1568 was pollinated with the 1689.That 1689 plant had a 1307 est. fruit grown on it.1568 +1307 =2875

12/29/2008 9:23:54 AM

my guess would be the 1307 was also dmg?

12/29/2008 9:56:07 AM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

That's where I'm confused cojoe. Why add 1307 when the biggest fruit produced from the 1689 was 1395lbs ( 1395 Leonard 1689 Jutras x open )

12/29/2008 10:03:17 AM

Alex, IN

Andy, it's because they are useing the weight from the 1689 that pollinated Steve's 1568. Not the biggest that the 1689 grew overall.

12/29/2008 10:35:13 AM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Serenity now, serenity now...
Mikkal, if that's true, where does 2875 come from in cojoe's post?
1568 Connolly + 1689 Jutras=3257
In Shazzy's 1st example he added the actual weight of the 1385 Jutras to the largest fruit grown from the 998.5 Pukos ( 1689) to get a total of 3074.

12/29/2008 11:06:34 AM

Alex, IN

1568 Connolly (from The 1566) + the 1306 Connolly (from the 1689) You add the 1568 and 1306 to get total weight produced by the parents. 1568 + 1306 = 2874

In shazzy's example he used the weight of the 1385 Jutras (1385 pounds) and added the weight of what the 998 pollinator grew which was 1689 pounds. So you would add 1385 plus 1689 to get total weight produced by the parents of the 1385 Jutras. 1385 + 1689 = 3074

Hope that helps.

12/29/2008 11:40:24 AM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

That helps Mikkal, thank you. So would these totals be correct

1017 Fetty 08= 3378 (1689 x 998.5)
1133 Kline 08=3262 ( 1631 McKie x 1041 McKie )

12/29/2008 12:03:35 PM

Alex, IN

No, you would need to know the size of the fruit the male pollintor produced. Take the 1017 Fetty for instance... That fruit itself weighed 1017 pounds, now lets say the pollinating plant(998.5 Pukos) grew a 1237 pound pumpkin. You would then add the weight of the 1017 to the weight of the 1237 to get the total amount of weight produced by those two plants in that particular cross.

You use the weight that the mother and father plants of that cross produced, not the largest fruits grown from that seed. Just what each of those plants produced from the patch they were grown in.

12/29/2008 2:18:23 PM

Alex, IN

Lets say I have a 901 Hunt and you have a 1385 Jutras... I grow a 1346 on the 901 and you grow a 1477 on the 1385. Now if I had used pollen from your 1385 to pollinate my 901 then the total weight produced by the parent plants would be... 1346 + 1477 = 2823 pounds.

12/29/2008 2:20:32 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Thanks again Mikkal, the synapses in the old noodle aren't firing on all cylinders I think. I'm gonna opt out of any further posts at the risk of making an arse of myself lol.

12/29/2008 2:28:24 PM

Alex, IN

LOL No problem, just grow one of the seeds thay are all awesome!

12/29/2008 2:52:16 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

Mikkal you have the patience of a saint! No offence Andy LOL.

12/29/2008 9:09:49 PM

Denver, CO

In the above example MoTown, how would I know that you used the pollen from Andy's 1385 Jurtas and not from say Joe Cools 1385 Jurtas or any other avaiable 1385 Jurtas? Where can I find this type of information?

1/6/2009 7:45:36 PM

Alex, IN

The person who grew that paricular fruit and the person that he or she got the pollen from would be the only ones to know for sure exactly which plant the pollen came from.

Most of the time the information is obtainable from the grower.

1/8/2009 7:35:03 AM

Denver, CO

Thanks MoTown, I thought maybe I was missing something great at the AGGC site!

1/8/2009 4:57:22 PM