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Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

I was going to take this year off but thanks to Edward Gilligan Zaychkowsky I will be trying to grow a 670 Daigle. I have some pretty good crosses like 1159 Richards, 1054 and 798 Lawson, 364 Webster, 1102 Pukos etc. but if it were you, what seed would compliment a great classic like the 670 Daigle.

PS- Thanks Eddy, your offer was a pleasant surprise. An offer I couldn't refuse, lol.

2/22/2010 9:18:31 PM

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Andy, I could fed-ex you some 1370 Rose pollen

2/22/2010 9:27:17 PM

Kakabeka Falls,On. Canada.

Hey Andy, how about a 993 Vincent!it seems to be doing well,nice color, and seems to go over the chart!

2/23/2010 6:49:51 AM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Glenn, you got me thinking, that would be a great cross, thanks. The timing would have to be pretty good.

Benj- you are a mind reader. I've made a few calls about the 993, too good not to be on the short list.

2/23/2010 8:57:48 AM

canal winchester ohio

I believe a cross with a seed that has the same mother with strong orange influence. I would say 1048 Companion ( 810 Dill x 801.5 Stelts) would be a great choice.

2/23/2010 10:52:49 AM

Minnesota

1028Gienger
975Kline
801Stelts
243Beachy

2/23/2010 11:08:16 AM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

That would be a good one for sure Paul. I just opened up my EGVGA seedpromo and lo and behold there is a 641.7 Knoepfle 500 Northrup x 810 Dill. It's good to have so many to choose from.

2/23/2010 4:01:44 PM

Long Island,New York

My choice with the Daigle is cream cheese and lox.

2/23/2010 4:26:59 PM

Coventry R.I.

ANOTHER ONE TO TRY IS THNE 1028 GIENGER,,, here,s a picture http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=125840
I like both

2/23/2010 4:41:51 PM

Frankfort Ohio

todd,s 810 or a 603 muller 1290 poirier also looks good

2/23/2010 4:43:19 PM

Santa Rosa, CA

Andy,

I helped Carl Lawson grow the 1054 Lawson and the 798 Lawson. Of the seeds you listed, I would cross the 670 Daigle with the 798 Lawson. The 798 Lawson is a:
Female: 1101 Northrup
X
Male: 730 Dill

The 730 Dill was a "stop-sign" red-orange pumpkin that Howard Dill grew. It has not been planted that much.

With the dark orange color of the 670, the 1101 and the 730, the 670 X 798 cross should be a good compliment to the the 670.

I have some extra 798 Lawson seeds if you (or any other growers) are interested. My e-mail is veader@sonic.net.

Chuck

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2/24/2010 1:51:44 PM

Colorado

I'd do the 1159 richards.Might make a seed that producers lookers.

2/24/2010 1:54:16 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Thanks for all your input, even Glenn. Chuck you make a very good case, lots to consider before May 1st.

2/24/2010 9:43:42 PM

Southeast Texas

if you could get 1258 wallace, use it,i think it would stay orange and be heavy,cause the 1258 was 20% over

2/25/2010 12:09:10 PM

Mcminnville, Or. (oregonangler@comcast.net)

A couple of ideas are a 1370X1068 cross, like a 1348 Hester or 1235.5 Daletas, may be easier to locate than the 904 or 1207. Or possibly the 1332 Werner, George Poirier pollinated his beautiful 772 with it.

2/25/2010 4:32:23 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Thanks again for the input, Paul I have bigger plans for the 1258 Wallace, that's gonnna be a good one. I'm going to stick with my original plan, 670 and a couple of 710 Harnica's for back ups. The pollinator will be a true orange producer yet to be determined.

2/25/2010 10:23:13 PM

Eastern Pennsylvania

there's orange and then there's ORANGE. always cracks me up when i see people posting about crossing with these big name seeds that happen to go slightly cream colored orange. they just don't get it lol. you need a 603, 810, 801, 846 or equivilant to make a cross that others will want to plant. even something like a 1101 wouldn't cut it for me these days. i guess i'm just stuck up.

2/26/2010 2:04:00 PM

New Brunswick

Andy . How would you feel about doing a sibb. I could help.

2/27/2010 7:19:38 AM

Ohio

742 Miller (01) (846 Calai x 567.5 Mombert)

2/27/2010 7:39:06 AM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

"You need a 603, 810, 801, 846 or equivilant"

The last three are pretty much extinct or impossible to get and the 603 Muller is getting pretty scarce. What do you consider to be equivalent?

Charles, I appreciate the offer buddy, I really do. There are quite a few selfed 670's but no sibbed that I know of. I think it will be a last minute decision. Thanks again.

2/27/2010 11:00:13 AM

Clayton, Ohio, USA

1059 Vincent-McGill, 904 Stelts, 1159 Richards
The goal should be great color and competitive size. I don't think the old reliable color pumps have enough size and weight bred into them to compete at a weigh-off these days.

2/27/2010 11:04:22 AM

Ohio

Another one hard to find, but what about the 772 Poirier??

2/27/2010 1:15:53 PM

Minnesota

243 Beachy

2/27/2010 1:45:26 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

That's a good suggestion Brooks, two of my back ups are 710 Harnica- 670 Daigle x 772 Poirier so if the 670 doesn't pop I'll have that cross you suggested. I've got lots to choose from, it's deciding that is proving to be difficult.

2/27/2010 1:54:42 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

I can relate to Jim(Orangeneck) regarding orange genetics. I've been growing for shiny orange for quite awhile. One seed I think that could make a good cross for the 670(if orange is your objective) is the 492.5 Gerhardt 08(670 Daigle X 603.5 Muller). It could prove to be the "next generation 603.5 Muller or 670 Daigle". The 603.5 and 670 that Jim grew that year, both looked to be more orange than the average progeny from those pumpkins. Other seeds to consider would be the 940 Mombert 00 or it's reverse cross 867.5 Mombert 00(I think it is?).
I'm thinking of growing more proven size genetics this year, with a decent chance for orange. The 1348 Hester seems to stand out for me in this category.

2/27/2010 2:20:24 PM

Ohio

Doug, if your looking for big and orange try to find a 904 Stelts, the 1662 that Dave grew was the biggest bright orange pumpkin I have ever seen, plus it had great shape.

The next biggest ''solid'' orange I have seen was grown off the 954 Pugh , the 1333 Skinner, it went light but it was also a very big and very bright orange pumpkin. only thing about that 954 is that you might not get that kind of orange color everytime with the 1041 Mckie being in its back ground.

2/27/2010 8:51:31 PM

Dundee Michigan

Andy H---Email me when you get a chance. Harnica@dundee.net John Harnica

2/27/2010 9:55:20 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

There is big and orange and pure orange. George Janowiak's 966 was 670 x 1450 Wallace and if I remember he wanted big and orange and it paid off. Then there is pure orange like 772 Poirier, 670 Daigle 500 Northrup and so on. The pure orange have a much greater likelihood of producing orange offspring, although there are no guarantees like the 875 Northrup producing a true green squash ( 577 Ermacora 07 ). All I want to do is choose a pollinator that is likely to produce consistent red-orange offspring, lol, tall order.

2/27/2010 10:37:33 PM

Wisconsin

I agree with Andy on... there are no guarantees when it comes to AG's and genetics!! I grew the 772.2 Poirier last and crossed it with the 919 Richards..thinking I had made this "awesome shiney orange" cross?? However my 919 Richards was snow white and cantaloped?? Now I am extremely leary of planting those seeds?? Thats why the proven seeds will always command a high price!!

2/28/2010 11:40:37 AM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

Brooks,
I've been tempted to request a trade, in the seed exchange, for a 904 Stelts. Dave's 1662 was impressive in size a color. Some of the 904 offspring I've seen pictured, appear much less orange than that one. So I'm hesitant at this point. I'm still considering it.
What I'd like to see is Nic Welty make a self cross on the clone of the plant that grew the 1662. If he has a clone of that plant that is.

2/28/2010 1:11:30 PM

Ohio

I hear ya Doug, 1662 Stelts clone x self,,, hmmm makes ya think dont it?,, never really thought about a cross like that till you mentioned it. But that would be the right route to take.

2/28/2010 4:34:09 PM

Berlin,mi.(zuhlke2@hotmail.com)

Hey guys. The clones are dead. Nic sent me a message the other day. Thats a bummer. I had hopes of some of that 1385 pollen making it's way to my area. The 711 Zuhlke (772 Poirier x 500 Northrup) would go good with the 670. It grew the 1065 Clark. it was 8% heavy with great orange color. check it out on aggc.

2/28/2010 7:30:20 PM

Western NY

423 Wolf 09 (846 Calai x 670 Daigle)
150 Wolf 09 (846 Calai x 616 Jaser)

the 616 was 1101 northrup x 801 stelts, you can see offspring pic in my diary from last year.

2/28/2010 9:20:03 PM

Eastern Pennsylvania

The 603.5, 810 and 801.5 have all been up on the auction block already this year. I bought a 603.5 to use as my normal pollinator this year for cheap from the NYGPGA. The 846 was on the block once if not twice last season. That may be hard to get but rest assured there are some out there. The 772 is a decent choice however IMO it has yet to show consistency, aside from the 1290 and 993 V-M. I have lost faith in the 500/ 1101 Northrup seeds. I have grown both and watched many over the years but not seeing anything consistant enough for planting again. I'll plant my 923 from this year and stand by for a true orange giant to emerge.

3/1/2010 8:44:06 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Received my Dill order today and Diana tossed in a few 593 Dills. The cross id 589 Dill x 1290 Poirier. The 589 is 670 Daigle x 846 Calai. Short list is complete.

3/1/2010 9:24:49 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Just checked the Dill's site, 710 Harnica is sold out. Gonna be lots of orange this year I think. Most of the sold out seeds are orange.

4/25/2010 9:10:40 PM