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Bristol R.I. USA

Just a question if I where to pollinate a plant that had the 1068 Wallace genetics with a plant that already had the 1068 genetics would it strengthen the genes or would it be better to change the pollination to get different traits. I have so many ideas and so many choices that it scares me.

4/27/2010 8:45:03 AM

Cincinnati,OH

Given the sucess of the 1068 x 998 crosses I would cross the 1068 line with the 998 line.
The 1468 Richards is a obtainable seed that could make a dynamite cross with the 1068 line.

4/27/2010 8:48:59 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

That sounds good Ron. 1306 Jutras X 1468 Richards(and reverse) could be a dandy cross.

4/27/2010 10:15:45 PM

Hurdland USA

According to Mendel and genetics yes it will strengthen the Wallace trait.

An example of Mendellan genetics in flower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Punnett_square_mendel_flowers.svg

You should be able to do a Mendel square for the plants if you know its dominate and recessive traits til you get what you want.

5/19/2010 6:01:58 PM

Austria

You do realize that any AG crossed with any other AG is still just a sib pollination, lol. Greg

5/19/2010 9:38:50 PM

New York

I thought the Punnett square only determines genotypes rather than phenotypes (the significant thing for AG growers). Also, isn't it impossible to know a plant's recessive genes?

5/19/2010 9:59:41 PM

Hurdland USA

Recessive traits refer to characturistics that are easy too see or determine such as color, texture... if a big moon which is white and AG mix, the color may be orange (dominate trait) but there is still a chance to get the white shell(recessive trait) cross pollinating with itself, as did Mendels flowers

5/19/2010 10:33:57 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

Mendelsome, Greg... curious here...Christy grew the new world record, from a selfed (not sibbed)...are you saying that all of the AG crosses, are...because of that they are all AG's are sib's? Is that the same as saying, that crossing any tomato w/ any other variety of tomato is a sib? Curious, and wanting to learn!!! Peace, Wayne

5/19/2010 10:40:27 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Wayne, my friend, Christy's WR wasn't grown from a selfed seed, whoever grows the 1725 will be growing a selfed seed. I think I see where Greg is going, however mistaken his logic may be. Cucurbita maxima x Cucurbita maxima doesn't = sibb x sibb. That's like saying any Big Zac x any Big Zac is a sibb which is not the case. A true sibb is the pairing of two seeds from the same fruit. It is an attempt to reinforce the positive traits from the parent be it weight, shape, size or color. A 670 Daigle x 670 Daigle would likely yield different results than a 670 Daigle x 800 Neily. Same genus, very different outcomes.

5/20/2010 9:37:52 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

Andy, thanks...my brain was movin quicker than my fingers, I guess!!! I meant a selfed fruit!!! Peace, Wayne

5/20/2010 11:26:43 PM

Barrie ON

Actually there are 2 diverse lines of pumpkins. Dill's line and Atlantic Giants.

Dills are classified under the PVP as oblong and Atlantic Giants are Round or bell shaped and taller.

There are actually 2 separate distinct lines that have been crossed. I would say an example of the increased growth you would get from a cross like this is characteristic of the 827 Holland (575.5 Dill x 742 Waterman-fisher). Waterman grew the AG line.

Same place the 567.5 Mombert came from! (616 Holland = Dill crossed with AG)

Therefore, Mendelsome, the lines are getting blurred.

11/7/2010 8:51:52 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

kungfu, what is PVP...? I realize this might sound dumb, but am here to learn. Peace, Wayne

11/9/2010 2:17:47 AM

Barrie ON

Plant Variety Protection #008500204

"As the germplasm of such a giant squash variety is commercially provocative, the name Atlantic Giant came from a U.S. legal protection that was granted for the rounder phenotypes. Numerous labels were created for this variety over the past two centuries. This phenotype graduated back into the public domain, retaining the Atlantic Giant label. After the Atlantic Giant right expired, an ensuing filing was made in September 1985 and accepted, purportedly for the oblong phenotypes of the variety, under a label Dill's Atlantic Giant , named after Howard Dill, who helped create the seeds. This 18-year right expired in 2004, leaving all phenotypes of this originally public variety back into the public domain.

Many people use the Atlantic Giant for competitions at weighoffs and harvest festivals around the world. These rounder phenotypes of the giant squash variety grow larger, thus those which fell under the Dill's Atlantic Giant division are generally unused. means that it is now relatively easy to grow large fruit in ordinary" taken from here http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Atlantic_Giant


see USDA PVP # 008500204

11/9/2010 10:20:32 AM