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Glosta

No doubt in my mind 1725 harp is a genetic line that can ouch us forward and it needs to continue on. My question is what have the big ones been lost too? A few I have heard are:
1789 Wallace. Est 11 - pinhole
1647 Wallace dmg 11- soft spot
1492 Root dmg 11- unknown
1450 Menting est 11- pinhole
1465.5 DeBacco dmg 11- mouse damage
1104 Rodonis 11 - unknown
1314 Sperry dmg 10- unknown
2010 Ben Hebb lost one unknown reason
Any more known losses and why.

I think the 1725 line is moving in right direction, it grows fast, it grows big. I just want to make sure the 1725 cross I grow has the solidarity to make it. I know many 1725's have made scale and were fine, but there is always a concern in the back of my mind.

12/15/2011 4:29:42 AM

Glosta

Oh and Amelio, don't even bother replying, you know less than my 7 year old on these genetics, even he has seen 1725 progeny weighed. I doubt you have.

12/15/2011 4:34:39 AM

Rhode Island

bry

i guess there will always be some offspring that never make it to the scale---- for any number of reasons. some have nothing to do with the seed itself rather how we grew it,how we protected it from resting on the wet ground,etc.
others,just grow to fast for the outer surface to handle especially in the thinner blossom area of the fruit.

in our case the 1789 grew way fast ( i must admit in over twenty years of growing? it was the ride of a lifetime for ron and i ) a small imperfection in the shape (at the rib intersection) allowed for a small pin hole to develope.

on the other hand my 1647 had a serious soft spot a few days before the weigh-off. it rotted on the bottom in an a small area that had grown over the belting material.

pap

12/15/2011 6:14:06 AM

Waynesboro, Virginia

Amelio...Like your idea's of more CO2 availabilty to growing plants.It's proven it works.I also know that if you would like to have really tall children, you should marry a very tall women.Good soil,great climate and modern growing techniques bring out genetic potential.I know genetics research is responcible for the size of pumpkins today(1818.5 wow!).Two tall people having children increases the odds of passing tall genes on to their offspring.Genetics is a crap shoot with loaded dice.

12/15/2011 9:07:09 AM

Glosta

Thank you Pap, I Understand there is lots of variables to why pumpkins go down. I really appreciate your insight. I am hopping not to see a trend that may or may not be a genetic disposition. Random loss is fine it just proves crap happens. but if 90% went down to pin holes it may be (not definitely) a underlying issue to watch for. But running the fine line between loss and going all the way is the true fun in this hobby. Beating the odds and making it to scale is more rewarding than anything. I plan on growing the 1450 Est Menting (1725 harp x 1674 Marsh) and crossing the 1102 Rodonis 11 ( 901 hunt x 1725 harp) into it. reguardless of any flaws. Just trying to see if there is something I should watch for.

12/15/2011 9:20:23 AM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

Look at the 1502 Daletas 1725 X 898 Knauss

12/15/2011 9:44:36 AM

Central Minnesota

Wow,keep it up amelio and everyone will be gone around here and you can ask all the questions you want, and then answer them yourself...oh wait, you already do that. Really looking foward to an "ignore button" so I can actaully gather some of the great info here on BP without your personal attacks on growers.

12/15/2011 10:30:20 AM

bliss,n.y.- heart of Wyoming County

Amelio-behave like gentleman. Such comments are unbecoming a man.

12/15/2011 1:00:43 PM

nOVA sCOTIA

I think new growers are going to become very discouraged with this hobby if you continue to post Amelio.Read..!!! Learn..!!! apply this to the patch during the growing season and then feel free to share some knowledge and results with us newbies but please don't continue to overcomplicate and confuse everyone just trying to get a start in this great hobby.

12/15/2011 2:15:16 PM

Torrance, Ca.

I'm new around here and was starting to wonder if I should listen to this emelio guy?

12/15/2011 2:15:20 PM

nOVA sCOTIA

this started out to be a very interesting post but it sure got @#$%&'ed up in a hurry.Thanks Amelio

12/15/2011 2:26:43 PM

Eastern Washington State

Bry one question to Pap would be 'would you plant it again?'

It seems that even if (perhaps) there seems to be a genetic flaw in a monster line such as this, it's likely present (and hidden) in many other lines as well. It's possible that the only reason you see it here is because it's such a monstrous performer in terms of gains. Just a thought. I'm interested in hearing what Pap has to say.

12/15/2011 3:12:50 PM

Novar, Ontario

Hey Amelio, would you consider answering on messages which you have something to say other than some blather or personal attacks, just checking, oh by the way, I'm sure Obama isnt awaiting your call about CO or anything else. Hope this message doesnt expel me from the forum, but I havnt called anyone a Nazi yet, so probably not.

12/15/2011 6:03:00 PM

Novar, Ontario

My opoligies to all the people here just hoping to learn more about pumpkins who see me being unpleasant. Ignore feature will be in full effect from here on out.

12/15/2011 6:06:58 PM

President - GPC

CoJoe here in CO had a real nice 1725 going.. est 1450... BIG for CO... went down with a soft spot as well, I know he said it was the best pumpkin ride he had ever witnessed as well, hard not to want to grow it again. Will be interesting to see what the offspring do this year for sure!

12/15/2011 6:16:27 PM

Novar, Ontario

Ignore BAAABy

12/15/2011 6:51:03 PM

South Hero, VT

Dave, welcome to the Ignore ****** Club. It's getting more members every day.

Bry, thanks for the post. I often wish there was a website where we could check for possible genetic defects(or assets, such as % heavy) based on growers' experience with seeds.

I'm talking about a "customer review" website for AG growers.

12/15/2011 7:11:58 PM

Novar, Ontario

Thank you VTS, Oooh yeah will join, sorry to take the bait once again. Hope no one sent this fool some viable seeds for him and his fictional son. Goodnight

12/15/2011 7:33:25 PM

Georgetown, Ontario

I used to send people that were interested in growing giant pumpkins to this site but lately I'm actually embarrased to do that. It used be a great place to learn and interact, now it's just a bunch of crap. We need some moderators that can clean up all the garbage and send half this BS to the off topics posts (I guess ones just like this one, but what the hell) I'll send people to the GVGO site for informative forums.

And now on topic @VTSteve the AGGC does have a comment box on the bottom of the info page for pumpkins for growers to add comments about their experience growing that seed but not too many people actually use it. It would be nice if people did post comments good or bad.

12/15/2011 7:47:36 PM

Upa Creek, Mo

Again, why is Amelio still posting at this hour? Is he up past 1-2am every night? Hmmm... it is now 241am in Germany.

12/15/2011 8:41:59 PM

Lloydminster/AB

I know what would happen if some one called me a fascist. Time for this to stop. This started off as a good thread too.

I grew a 1725 this year. I overdid the fertilizer ended up with a late set that ended up around 500 before the blossom went soft. The plant was so good that I would have no problem growing the off spring .... Assuming one of the handful of seeds germinates. Of course I selfed it. I hope the soft spot thing isn't a genetic problem.

12/15/2011 9:27:22 PM

Colorado

I had a 1451 est go down to a soft spot (fungal) where the pumpkin was touching the ground.We had very hot conditions in september which I assume played a role.Quite a few pumpkins were lost late in colorado so I dont think it was unique to that strain.

12/16/2011 1:04:29 AM

Bethlehem CT

Most growers who have grown the 1725 would love to have another crack at it. Whatever happened to "If You aint blowin' 'em, you aint growin' 'em."? LOL My 2012 line-up will be heavy laden with 1725 genetics!

12/16/2011 8:21:13 AM

St. Thomas Ontario

I’m a big fan of all things agriculture.

-if I was looking for a horse to race, I’d be looking for
one that bites, kicks and runs fast.

-if I was looking for a bull to ride I’d want one that had a 80-90% “buck-off” rate

-If I was looking for a fruit to grow, I’d look for one that blows itself apart but could produce a monster.

-800 Neily was a Green “Rambo”, took a few tries but to figure her out, but the results were fantastic.

The 1725 Harp is the “Fu Manchu” (I‘m going back a few years), I think it's ‘Dillenger‘ or ‘Wardance' now...in anycase... you don’t wanna put rawhide around their belly and go for a quiet stroll, you’ll need something else in the pasture for that.

-my 1725 Harp didn't realize it's potential because of me...i would love another ride:)

12/16/2011 10:16:17 PM

Glosta

Thank you Joel, Nice desriptive way to explain it.

I want a fruit that will blow its self apart. But i want to know what to watch for so i can help it stay together for as long as possible.

12/19/2011 1:35:37 PM

St. Thomas Ontario

My 1725 was flawless on the inside...not crazy thick but very uniform, even at the blossom end.

Vine stress was a problem for me. I'd say while she's still in the 'shute' give her lots of space in the back and underneath(then add 3 feet;)..

When she starts to go 'crazy' (you probably got 20 days or so), i'd be letting her go and enjoy the ride (none of this chainpuller stuff at 500lbs next time for me;).

12/19/2011 3:19:59 PM

any seed grown many times to get max results will have some not make it , easy way to keep em from blowin and failure is to slow grow a seed to 500-800 lbs no stress no worries no glory either

12/19/2011 4:57:45 PM

Port Alberni, BC, Canada

My 1725 developed two tiny pin holes in the blossem end at the end of August. No surprise considering the very poor weather year we had on the west coast. The pumpkin was cut open on national television shown in October on the "What's Cooking" show.
Would I grow it again if given the chance? Absolutely, and then go for the glory which this seed can bring.

12/19/2011 6:05:28 PM

England, essex

if you worried about it, send them seeds to me to blow ;-)

12/19/2011 7:15:05 PM

Eastern Washington State

I agree lol! Did anyone self the 1725? Not meaning to revive the selfed vs cross debate, however I would be interested in growing one if it were a well shaped pumpkin from a from a vigorous plant.

12/19/2011 10:01:33 PM

Massillon, Ohio

i too was looking forward to what this thread was going to be about before it got muddled.

brianB, try emailing tom beachy. he was done alot of work with growing multiple 1725's and crossing the most vigorous with the most vigorous, then again the next year. maybe he can hook you up with a seed you are looking for.

12/21/2011 8:42:54 PM

Oswego,ny

Happy holidays everyone,
Sometimes it's difficult to convey a thought clearly without speaking.And difficult to undesrtand a non-author without seeing their demeaner in person.
sometimes I learn from people I disagree with at first.

I remember how odd it seemed the first time someone told me the advantages of walking boards.I knew tractors caused compaction so you put dual wheels on them , but walking?...turned out I was wrong

.so 2 questions I see are,
since genetics is one of many factors in growing a giant pumpkins..,. what percentage of the entire picture is it?
Stands to reason wr seeds are a good place to start.

Also tons of pumpkins had physiological issues in my area this year due to extreme weather,while 2 nearby growers reached PBs at over #1600. is there a way to tell if a pinhole etc. is genetic ? Or, from the pumpkin's enviroment ?(different luck of the draw with pop up thunderstorms as an example)

I lost a pumpkin this year (Not 1725 genetics) because I was pushing it to it's limit nutrition wise, and got an unexpected 1/2 inch of rain one night.

Great topic

anyway that's my 2cents

12/23/2011 10:35:13 PM

Rhode Island

steve
just my opinion here.if i had to list the whole package to what i thought it took to grow a monster? and the percentages?here goes

soil ------ 20%
weather ----- 20%
insect/disease program ------ 20%
grower experience ------- 20%
genetics (the seed) --------- 20%

you may ask why 20% for each? well----the seed is no good if the soil is not,the best fruit in the world is subject to soil and air born diseses,mother nature has a great effect on how well anything grows,and lastly? if you dont know what your doing, or understand the basic gardening skills it takes to grow anything to finish? that seed will mean nothing.

yes pin holes are a direct result from the genetics in the seed.that does not mean all of the same seed result in pin holes,only that the possibility is there.it takes a bulging area intersecting with a deep rib to usually produce a pin hole.

hope this helps pap

12/24/2011 8:27:51 AM

Colorado

Genetics determines the potential size,shape and weight of the fruit. All the environmental factors allow the fruit to meet the potential or fall short of the potential.The 1725 harp seed has demonstrated great potential.

12/24/2011 2:19:59 PM

England, essex

what dung brung you up amelia?
you want to check your own genetics, or should i say DNA

12/26/2011 4:18:52 PM

Rhode Island

IM SURE GLAD KEN GAVE US THAT i g n o r e OPTION.

12/26/2011 7:48:38 PM

Lloydminster/AB

That option is priceless

12/26/2011 9:58:07 PM

Thuringia/Germany

Why ignore it?
Ken, kick the type!
And there is peace.
So it's no fun anymore.
I speak for many German growers ...a disgrace ....so many insults ...

12/27/2011 2:59:02 PM

Hinckley MN

how do you use the ignore option?

12/27/2011 5:19:41 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

Go to your USER SETTINGS and look down you will see the ignore feature..type in the name of the user...and life is good

12/27/2011 5:33:37 PM

South Hero, VT

Sorry to not answer Bry's question, but I wish the "ignore" button worked for the diaries as well.

Thanks all for focusing on the original question and giving feedback.

Thanks Christy for sharing the info.

12/27/2011 6:17:13 PM

I agree with German Pumpkin World a....o the "CYBERPEST!" should be "Kick Out" Remove from GP, a....o is DISGUSTING DISGRACE THICK SKIN TIME WASTER, big shame to our country Germany being "CYBERPEST" SHAME ,Shame ,shame on you a....o ,you have been given many chances that why U HAVE NOT BEEN KICK OUT YET , if U have brain or any at all IQ ??? U should understand, stop being an IDIOT A CYBERPEST, shame on you any "3 YEAR OLD CHILD" would have understand this and have learn
a....o "STOP PLAYING WITH FIRE WHEN YOU PLAY WITH FIRE YOU GET BURN!" any Child will understand, only IDIOT DON'T.

Yes IGNORE BUTTON at user settings is recommended to all growers to used, when 100% BP GrowerS used the Ignore button a....o can start talking to itself :) LOL..... :) "THAT WOULD BE REALLY funny" a....o PLEASE ,PLEASE..." NO OFFENCE " WE ALL HOPE U WILL GET WELL, GET HELP!OR GO GET A LIFE!

a....o if you read this important message "PLEASE PLEASE... DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME.....!, DON'T BOTHER TO REPLAY THIS MESSAGE WHY ??? U BEEN "IGNORE"... ," U HAVE NO VOICE " in our world, we don't care what you know or theory keep it to your self.

12/29/2011 6:07:24 AM

Massachusetts

wisdom , great post. thanks.

12/29/2011 7:29:59 AM

Torrance, Ca.

I haven't seen one post in over two weeks!


Ignore is your friend.

12/29/2011 10:06:29 AM

Goodwood, Ontario, Canada

I'm growing a 1647 Wallace (1725Harp x 1725Harp) to use as a pollinator for three other seeds that came from 1800 + giant pumpkins. I know I am gambling but anyone could end up being a great seed.

3/20/2012 8:31:04 AM