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President - GPC

I am planting out my 1810 X 1450 cross this year....I think I might have a heavy orange line going on here....My 1810 was very nice, shiny speckled orange...If for no vole holes it would of weighed over 1000 eaZy and a potential for HD award. IT'Z cross was the my 1450 Wallace. My 1450 Wallace looked like the 1250 Kline before the voles took it down.... Shiny dark orange.... So I am going to find out...by growing it.

Now... I wanna pollinate it....with....something that will potentially throw ORANGE SHINY and heavy... forever...lol

In my Wizzzy geneticZ bag I have...

1370 Rose
670 Daigle
1101 Northrup
500 Poirer

What should Wizzzy use? Hmmmmm......

2/2/2012 11:07:17 AM

Rhode Island

the 1370 i grew several years ago won prettest at topsfield and was orange

2/2/2012 12:31:37 PM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

1053 Vincent is really what you should cross it with.

2/2/2012 1:13:40 PM

President - GPC

IceLessMan...I dont want the Pukos BUTT or the stem split tendencies...from the 1053....Sorry, but the 1053 did grow a nice one.....

2/2/2012 1:26:21 PM

Billerica,Massachusetts

grew the 1370 in 04 --- went nice and orange

2/2/2012 2:48:29 PM

President - GPC

I am liking that one quite a bit, along with the 670 as well.....

1053..ooops.. I grew the 993, now I remember,....lol JVincent told me the 1053 did better on the SES....than the 993

Sorry Amelio...the voleZ came first...chewed on it...then it rotted on thru....damn voles...

2/2/2012 3:09:25 PM

Minnesota

125Brouillard (mine)
741Brunst
1103 Young
975Kline
1003 Christensen
218 Sandersock

2/2/2012 3:26:40 PM

Minnesota

923 Gerhardt
1010 Krueger
921 Rosa

2/2/2012 3:28:02 PM

Leerdam, The Netherlands

Hi, why don't you go for something more new like the 1304 sperry?

otherwise I would use the 1101.

good luck,

iwan

2/2/2012 3:36:26 PM

Colorado

904 stelts

2/2/2012 3:43:17 PM

President - GPC

Do you like that 904 stelts Pete?

2/2/2012 3:46:40 PM

Long Island,New York

Are you sure it wasn't a bull moose Wiz?

2/2/2012 4:04:01 PM

Littleton, Colorado

923.6 Kline
875 Northrup
1004 Mohr

2/2/2012 4:04:54 PM

President - GPC

Oh Oh..Oh.....Pete...look at that 1662 portrait....ThatZ WrinkleZ all over....except much heavier.....But very much so.....

WOW...I am really like the 904 now....But can one grow two SteltZ seeds in the same patch? FolkZ will say I'm kissing up to the PreZ....and then I can send my 1370 to JV....to grow...

2/2/2012 4:26:20 PM

Frankfort Ohio

wiz the 670 line seems to produce splitters i would go with the 904 first choice or 1370 second choice but we all know its a crab shoot on what they will throw color wise if you could get one that has pollen the 1610 might work well

2/2/2012 5:03:25 PM

Hampstead, NC 28443

Wiz, I say 904 Stelts or 998 Pukos to bring heavy and orange. Consider the 1210 VanHook 2010 too.

2/2/2012 5:32:26 PM

President - GPC

Jed....I am thinking your right...it gotZ whatZ it takeZ...

2/2/2012 5:41:25 PM

Roselle, IL GJGEM@sbcglobal.net

The 670..it grew my 988 x 1450 and it has produced nothing but orange and shiny..or use my 988.It will also bring the power of the 1450 back into the cross

2/2/2012 5:59:55 PM

Midway, UT

I like Pete's suggestion of a 904. 1370 would be my next choice for big and orange.

2/2/2012 6:12:42 PM

Midway, UT

Other option would be my 924. Big and orange in that one.

2/2/2012 6:13:37 PM

Spanish Ontario

try this one 1223.5 reiss 05 670 daigle x801.5 stelts martin reiss grew it in 05

2/2/2012 6:54:13 PM

Lloydminster/AB

You should talk to Glenna,she had a couple of nice orange ones with very good genes!

2/2/2012 9:25:16 PM

South Hero, VT

Wiz/Iceman: are you talking about the 1059 Vincent-McGill or the 1053 Stelts?

2/2/2012 9:27:42 PM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

oops your right it is the 1059 my BAD

2/2/2012 9:31:08 PM

Frankfort Ohio

yes Glenna i forgot about her nice orange crosses this year a lot of 1161 orange in them

2/2/2012 10:21:31 PM

Eastern Pennsylvania

All seeds from the past. If you want a good pollinator from that era grab a 603.5 Muller. Wiz the 670 is at the top of your list for adding big orange but I suggest looking towards some newer seeds like the 1059. Or the 1610.

2/3/2012 12:11:04 AM

Bethlehem CT

I really like the 1370 for size and a good chance for strong orange, but I still think it would be more of a gamble than going with a sure thing like the 670 Daigle.

2/3/2012 9:27:41 AM

valparaiso, in

919 Richards for color. I think that is the one.

2/3/2012 10:20:05 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

I'd probably go with the 1370 Rose myself.

2/4/2012 12:14:08 AM

Massillon, Ohio

Hey Wiz...looks like you & I are in the same boat. Lucky you!! Seems we are both looking for pollinating plants for our own hopeful seeds...and wanting BIG & ORANGE results. I can't use my own seeds, since I've already doubled & tripled up on the 1161 genes. For some other grower who's willing to chance an unproven seed...mine might give some good results. My 1244.5 (1161 x 1610) was 15.5% heavy. Quite a number of people are planning to grow it, so I'm excited about that.

I think we have 3 basic choices: 1) Pick a seed to grow for almost certain orange, but possibly sacrifice on BIG. 2) Pick a proven seed for growing BIG, with a possibility for ORANGE. 3) Go out on a limb with an unproven seed that just might give you both.

I think many of the seeds suggested, fall under #1.

1370 and 904 along with yet unmentioned 1421 are excellent choices for #2.

At the top of my list for "out on a limb" choices would be the orange 1634 Werner, which has just 7 reported progeny, all over 1,000 lbs & it grew the 1725 Marshall. And Quinn's pollinator plant (1236 Harp) grew a very orange fruit.

Next choice would be the 1704 Urena 11. Most of it's 991 mamma's progeny were not orange....but what orange genes it had, it certainly did pass on to the 1704. The pollinator, 1468.5 Stevens, was also a nice orange.

I'm close to making a decision. What are you thinking now Wiz?

2/4/2012 12:32:34 PM

Southeast Texas

i think a 772 x 904 cross or a 1180daletas x 904 cross, could produce orange and heavy.

2/4/2012 6:31:29 PM

Minnesota

374 Drum (1191Northrup x 869Calai) really Orange.

2/4/2012 6:59:27 PM

San Diego

for those who want to try a new seed, the 980 Fredricks 2011 has great potential for big, heavy, and very orange. 1544 revier by 1610 lieber, 8% heavy, grown as a new san diego county record. I might be a little biased since I grew it lol, but I feel so confident in the cross for size and orange beauty that I am groing my own seed this year, and I only grow one plant a year! I'm in the process of trying to get a 1704 urena to cross with this year. I have seeds available still. Jim

2/5/2012 4:02:46 PM

Mt Vernon Ky

1331van hook the off sping was orange in the right hands should be a monster

2/5/2012 4:11:15 PM

Mt Vernon Ky

1331 van hook was very orange off spring in the right hands should be a monster if you can find one very low seed count

2/5/2012 4:16:29 PM

Omaha, Ne.

jealous sure it was voles? Biz maybe.lol

2/5/2012 8:28:10 PM

President - GPC

Darren,

Was big ole VOLE too...Super VOLE. I hope the poison got him....

2/6/2012 3:04:31 PM

President - GPC

Looking here to hook up with JoZe on our SUPER ORANGE HEAVY HYBRIDz..... with 801 linege...

2/6/2012 3:05:17 PM

Omaha, Ne.

oops the word jealous wasn't suppose to be there.
But I can see it now big pumpkintoon wanted posters. One with a super vole. and his sidekick the little freken fracken mouse that chewed a hole in my kin.

2/6/2012 3:50:08 PM

West Sacramento Ca.

How about my 658.6 VM1059 X big 904 back in it.SLEDGEHAMMER

2/16/2012 9:43:07 PM

Morgantown, Indiana

I am growing the 980 Fredricks 2011 for heavy and orange.

2/21/2012 4:21:10 PM

Kakabeka Falls,On. Canada.

How about a 1059 Vincent-McGill X 1176 Lombardi, I like the cross of the 1176, it should throw big and orange and crossing these two should be great.

4/14/2012 11:02:21 AM