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Lodi, California

I was wondering if I should cross my future 2009 plant with a 220 v.s. crossing it as a self. I would think that crossing it with the 220 would be better that selfing it but what do I know. Thanks for the help!

10/21/2013 5:53:46 PM

Fairfield, CT, 06825

I thought you where trading your 220. Shame Shame Shame

10/21/2013 7:34:27 PM

Muddy Waters

Too much inbreeding,I'm out of here!

10/21/2013 9:32:16 PM

Lodi, California

You never know when someone hase more that one seed from a pumpkin;)

10/21/2013 11:04:33 PM

Colorado

I'd pollinate your 2009 with the 220.3. I'd self the 220.3.

10/21/2013 11:53:04 PM

Putnam Ct.

I crossed my 2009 with my 220. I think this should be a good cross but who knows till next year. Either way both proven seeds.

10/22/2013 7:36:43 PM

ShagHarbour n,s canada

why is the 220 so important its such a small fruit for this age of pumpkin growing

10/23/2013 2:29:29 AM

NSW, Australia (barracatcher7@hotmail.com)

Because the 220.3 DeBacco grew a 1700 pound pumpkin this year!

10/23/2013 2:57:32 AM

Colorado

The 220.3 seed has a high percentage of the 1725 harp parent genes which grew the 2009. The big offspring grown off the 220.3 seed, their shape and color bare that out.

10/23/2013 3:35:24 AM

Germany

cueball, you had asked questions about the "snowball project" many months ago, and I thought the answers you had received on those questions could have been sufficient to show that the size of this pumpkin doesn´t matter:

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/MsgBoard/ViewThread.asp?b=3&p=465841

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/MsgBoard/ViewThread.asp?b=19&p=474789

It was simply grown for genetic purposes, and the season 2013 has shown that the seeds obtained from this greenhouse project really do have the genetics to produce big pumpkins.

10/23/2013 7:37:32 AM

Colorado

The genotype of the 220.3 seed say its 75% 1725 harp. The phenotype of its offspring suggest its a higher % than that. That's todays biology lesson class..

10/23/2013 12:57:59 PM

Piqua, Ohio

I'd cross it to the 282 Scherber

10/23/2013 2:14:51 PM

President - GPC

Tell them CoJoe... you have a 220.3 crossed with the 2009.....

10/23/2013 4:28:34 PM

President - GPC

Darth Scherber...I can feel the good in you....I am a JEDI

10/23/2013 4:30:01 PM

Lodi, California

Cueball,

The weight of the pumpkin doesn't matter at all. The 220 was grown on a clone in a greenhouse in a very limited space, which could very well be why it only weighed 220 lbs.

10/23/2013 6:43:15 PM

ShagHarbour n,s canada

is the 220 SNOW BALL?

11/9/2013 7:48:08 PM

Minnesota

Yes, 220.3Debacco is Snowball.

11/10/2013 12:07:25 AM

Minnesota

Yes, 220.3Debacco is Snowball.

11/10/2013 12:07:33 AM

Eurasia

Oh, Richard!
Not ripened white does not mean genetically whitish, I think.
Seek for little white Afghan heirloo kadoo pumpkins.
As a punishment you have to sample such tiny little vitamin-packed balls in Afghanistan now!
Then we could cross these matured white pumpkins with the 70lbs. weighing Blanc du Dauphine or the very wide Pumpkin de Durban before enhancing weight with suitable AGs but never this 220.3 with late maturing Triamble in it.
For growing biggest and heavy, the slow Triamble in AG is best. But for edible fruits I want to grow very fast maturing fruits.
RichardB, please look at the 2009: isn´t it a true Triamble-AG?

11/10/2013 2:41:27 AM

Eurasia

In bold words again: since the 2009 is a true Triamble pumpkin, this selfing and selfing with the baby 220.3 will show very soon Triamble´s grey instead of your snowball-white.

11/10/2013 2:50:13 AM

Wallingford, Connecticut

pg3: snowball was grown from seed of 2009 Wallace, the pollinator was a clone of the plant which grew 2009 Wallace.
Which as cojoe says makes it 75% 1725 Harp.

12/3/2013 6:12:04 PM

Eurasia

220.3 snowball? Immature...pseudowhite!
I show you what a snowball is:
http://www.jungseed.com/products/03267.jpg
I´ll grow this 100er giant pumpkin in 2014.

12/4/2013 4:03:20 AM

Eurasia

I thank the Wallaces so much for introducing Triamble / Tri Star to the AG breeding. Now I will do that too and pollinate my stretto 922 with Tri Star.
I asked, whether I shall pay license fee for the this method to Ron Wallace, but old Dick abnegates the use of any Triamble in their family breeding...
Hm, so I´ll do it for free.

12/4/2013 4:12:45 AM

Minnesota

Lobster you sound like your "nut" or one of those thinking cartoon strips, one that tells a story!

12/4/2013 8:56:22 AM

Minnesota

"nuts"

12/4/2013 8:56:42 AM

Eurasia

Jalalabadian, you talk facetiously sometimes.
Do you sleep well these days?

12/4/2013 4:54:10 PM

Minnesota

Yes, do you?

12/4/2013 9:43:48 PM

Eurasia

No!

12/5/2013 7:19:40 AM

Minnesota

Go do some charity work, volunteer for something, donate blood! then you'll feel, and sleep better! Do you eat right? get excersise? to much drinking, partying?

12/5/2013 8:21:35 AM

Eurasia

No, there has been a reason for not sleep so good.
With an antiepileptic agent in my blood, I can´t donate it.
But you´re right: many people like to donate blood, ´cause they have to much and need a blood-letting.
When I feel such, I do fine powdered cardamom-ginger into my coffee-powder, so I can get a nosebleed.
Against high blood pressure I take ACE blocker and sartane.

12/5/2013 3:32:14 PM

Lodi, California

Lobster,

How exactly can you praise the 2009, yet criticize the 220? The 220 is 100% genetic mayerial from the 2009, even though the proportions of 1725 to 1409 is higher in the 220.

12/5/2013 6:54:45 PM

Lodi, California

*material*

12/5/2013 6:55:16 PM

NE Kansas

He is not praising the 2009 at all. He is insinuating deception about it's genetic purity. It is absurd that the 2009 was pollinated by a 3lb Triamble and then produced such progeny as it has.

12/5/2013 7:06:16 PM

Eurasia

I beg you pardon: when I visited bigpumpkins.com, I always saw that 2032 and thought that it would be like a clone from the 2009. And I forgot the real shape of the 2009.
Now I clearly see, that this tri-star-like rubbling of the 2032 must come from the pollinator: yes, the pollinator makes the shape!
But I´m still not sure: http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/fruitImages/2009%20Wallace%202012.jpg
From the stem side the 2009 showes the Triamble in it!
It does not matter, how that farmers in RI did their crossbreedings to get tri star genes into AGs:
I have to go my way, ´cause I want to use a better AG the 922 Mohr 11 one and two times selfed and pollinate them with Triamble, before that cross will be pollinated with pumpkins out of the banana group in 2015 and with AG pollen from a stretto 1610 Lieber 10 in 2016. In 2017 I´ll broaden the base of this solid shape with my B52 (stretto Hoffman´s AGs with shape and genes of a buttercup pumpkin). In 2017 this best edible giant pumpkin may be multiplied with a weight of only 200 to 250 lbs., ´cause more weight is not so good to handle for processing.

12/5/2013 7:58:05 PM

Lodi, California

I do not quite understand. Where does the triamble squash come into the picture of the 2009 and 220? Thanks.

12/6/2013 2:05:48 AM

NE Kansas

Ashton, a Triamble does not come into the picture at all. Do not believe anything he says about anything, and do not follow any advice he gives.

12/6/2013 8:18:21 AM

Lodi, California

Thanks.

12/6/2013 8:44:37 AM

Eurasia

Oh, Ashton!?
Do you want to state that the 2009 is a well shaped pumpkin?
What do you think about this convexities and very thick bulges? What was the reason, why a whole year we had to see more banner then pumpkin? ...this fruit can not be shown!
The 220.3 is immature!
But in the 2032 you can see well developed Triamble bulges.
Growers may make a show of their all and sundry false AG-genetics, but they can´t fool botanists.

12/6/2013 10:50:04 AM

Minnesota

Ah Pumplobster...yuh think they secretly crossed a edible Triamble into it, then a world record? and I bet when they got the world record they made it into a giant pumpkin pie and ate it! can't fool a botonists but a botonist can make a fool out of his or herself! of course the 2009 was'nt known for its shape, it was its weight. Still afraid to try and grow a giant, Pump? buc buc buc

12/6/2013 11:31:57 AM

Lodi, California

The 2009 is a triamble just because of its bulges? A triamble squash has much more pronounced bulges than that, and they don't weigh 2000 lbs! From my experience, the bulges on the 2009 aren't uncommon to the vast proportions of the ag world.

12/6/2013 7:06:26 PM

Eurasia

Ashton, you should try it: pollinate an AG with tri star!
I makes seed cavities smaller, and so your pumpkin is able to grow far more heavy.
RichardB., why so petulantly? Grow petunias!
The 2009 is an impasse with the potential to reach the long ton but not much more.
To grow 1200 kg or 2640 lbs., you have to combine the influence of Triamble and the banaba group and strengthen the round shape with a high shoulder afterwards through the influence of a Buttercup pumpkin, before pollinating with banana group again and a long ton fruit then.
It´s a long way...

12/7/2013 5:00:06 PM

Lloydminster/AB

Whoaaa. Stop. Go to the Main message menu. Go into user settings and click ignore user and fill in the appropriate name. Then you won't have all this confusion. This looks like silly thread from my view. Lol. Don't waste energy arguing with trouble makers.

12/7/2013 8:35:35 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

LOL, and on the watermelon forum, Handy stated, "not enough clowns on bp.com" !!! Peace, Wayne
JMHO!!!

12/8/2013 1:06:33 AM

Minnesota

Great idea Pumplobster! Flower Forum! I doubt there are that many flower growers here tho!

12/8/2013 2:26:18 AM