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Lodi, California

I was just thinking about this when I first took a good look at what is going to be my 2014 line up. The line up was 2009 and 220. I was looking at the genetics and noticed how similar the two genetic stocks where with the heavy 1725 breeding. If you look at the cross on the 220, you would find that its 2009xthe 1725 that grew the 2009. This, being a half self, would mean that crossing it with a 2009 would be inbreeding 2 different stocks, the 1725 stock and the 2009 stock, which are both in the 220. I was wondering, are there any non 1725 stocks out there that are genetically "superior" that could be cossed into the 220? Thanks!

11/3/2013 1:27:52 AM

Oak Grove, Mn

the 1725 was a 1385 jutras selfed, which was the cross of the 998 pukos and the 1068 wallace...i am wondering what top pumpkins dont have either the 998 or 1068 in their ancestry

11/3/2013 9:41:28 AM

Minnesota

Most all have the 1068 cross in them, 845Bobier x 898Knauss, I spent a few years making a seed with nothing but 898Knauss in it but after a really hot summer where I could not get a pumpkin to set, I gave up. The 1068 has grown the heaviest pumpkins, over two hundred more than the next seed. I might have the 2009 and 220 in my line up also.

11/3/2013 10:16:24 AM

Piqua, Ohio

it's like coon hounds, cross the son to the momma, most the pups won't be worth anything, but the couple that are good are really good. The seeds with the 1725 clones are in my opinion the way to go. There's a few in Colorado.

11/3/2013 4:44:55 PM

Western NY

Someone needs to do 695 Johnson x 1406 Wolf, go full throttle into the inbred territory and see what happens.

11/3/2013 5:25:00 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

The term "inbreeding" doesn't come into play, at least not yet. These are pumpkin plants, not cattle. 821 Eckhardt is a good example. All 1068 Wallace and 998 Pukos and produced the 1239 Eckhardt ( 821 Eckhardt x sib ). Four generations and no signs of slowing down. Would anyone hesitate to plant a 1161 Rodonis x 1725 Harp or reverse? Virtually the same genetics, but not really.

Look at the lineage of the 935 Lloyd, no inbreeding issues there, although hybrid vigor may come into play, but that's another topic.

11/3/2013 9:18:35 PM

Bethlehem CT

The 1725 has been the magic key that has unlocked ridiculous weight increases in the past couple of years. Lets ride this thing out. At some point we will hit some sort of obstacle. But until then if you want to grow the biggest pumpkins possible, I would stick to the seeds with the 1725 genetics.

11/3/2013 9:41:16 PM

Midway, UT

A local grower grew the 220 Debacco and a clone/cutting of the 1725 Harp that grew the world record. Although there were traits that were identifiable between the two plants it was somewhat surprising to me how different the two plants and pumpkins where. You know the gene pool between those two plants genetically couldn't be too far apart but the expression of the traits were very different. The 1623 Wallace that this same grower grew was much more similar to the world record then the 220 was in this case. The 1623 was side by side with the 1725 and you could not tell the leaves and vines apart. It was pretty interesting.

11/4/2013 4:54:16 PM

Midway, UT

Andy Wolf--that would be an interesting cross.

11/4/2013 4:55:40 PM