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Ankeny, Iowa

I have heard a lot of people talking about the 898 Kanauss. It seems to be a pretty desirable seed. I also have noticed that the 516 Swartz and 898 Kanauss have the exact same genetics. My question is if both these seeds have the same genetics do they both have the same probability to produce a huge pumpkin?

12/11/2003 4:21:37 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

215 Wright is the same cross as well

12/11/2003 4:38:24 PM

Syracuse, NY

let's just say that it is more LIKELY but not guaranteed
that the same cross has the potential to do as well as the original----the best example i can think of is the 723 Bobier followed by the 845 Bobier '00 uow;
same cross, different year, incredible and simliar results!
and, there are a couple more in the proving stage with the same cross as them, the 714 and the 838 Bobier...so we'll see! and, it is Knauss. sorry. 'pal

12/11/2003 4:44:29 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

and look at the 1074 Calai....pretty unremarkable so far.

12/11/2003 6:10:38 PM

Ontario

All luck when crossing, all those genes have to line up perfectly. You could make the same cross a dozen times and get different results out of every pumpkin. Still a crap shoot if you ask me. What looks good on paper doesn't necessary perform well in the ground.

drew

12/11/2003 6:15:35 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

Then will someone please explain the 935 Lloyd x 865 Mettler cross phenomenon to me? Every seed of this cross (that did produce seed) resulted in progeny averages (according to AGGC) from a low of 689.1 lbs (714 Bobier) to a high of 849.14 lbs (723 Bobier). The resulting average of all "same cross seeds" is 786 Lbs. That cross has never yielded a slow grower. Presumably this is from the 935 Lloyd. But can we say what it is that causes the consistancy of this cross over another?

I know an awful lot has to do with *WHO* does the growing. But there has to be something in that line besides luck.

Steve

12/11/2003 7:11:35 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

Tremor...possibly, when certain genes are introduced to other certain genes, they are predisposed to arrange themselves in a specific manner/order. Thus, when the cross is preformed over and over again, the genes, for-the-most-part, arrange themselves similarly each time. BF

12/12/2003 12:17:07 PM

Calif

you have to remember that what you see on the Aggc site is a fraction of what really happened all the ones that didn't make it or were under 500. And were still linked to who grew it , skill and the environment.

The Lloyd genes are making a smashing presence yet the world record has none. Genevas world record had none.......is the success linked to how many of a seed gets planted and by whom?

12/12/2003 2:10:37 PM