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Do think a cross such as (723 Bobier X 846 Calai) X (846 Calai X 723 Bobier) would achieve essentially the same result as a (723 Bobier X self) X (846 Bobier X self).
Or would the order of the crossing likely mix the genetics up differently?

Also, have any of you grown a 712 Kuhn X 846 Calai cross, or a 801.5 Stelts X 723 Bobier, 845 Bobier, or a 712 Kuhn?
Or do you know of any pumkins grown of these combinations?
Thanks.

Doug

10/16/2004 9:34:56 PM

Cincinnati,OH

The 960 Rose 01 is 723 Bobier x 801.5 Stelts

10/17/2004 11:22:08 AM

In the shade - PDX, OR

Martin from Germany made an 801.5 X 845 this year.
Many of the heavy hitters have made the crosses that you have listed above.


Doug - Your 1st ? is difficult to answer. Genetics always seem to be a crap shoot. Although they are *similar* the genes in every seed from the same pumpkin can potentially show variation. With the 723 & 846 X self crosses your talking about 2 generations where a great deal of variation could occur.

The 723 X 846 is a very good cross & has yielded some great fruit. I believe that the AGGC has this research in it's "free" area if you want to take a closer look.

Select the "best of the best" option & follow the drop downs for the 846 & 723.

10/17/2004 11:53:29 AM

Alex, IN

Also the following lis is 723 Bobier X 801.5 Stelts:

960 Rose
935 Franek
890.2 Houghton
868 Nesbitt
811 Kuhn
795 Ceja
778 Houghton
728 Houghton
717 Mitchell
689 Hester
And These are 801.5 Stelts X 723 Bobier:
791.5 Wiberg-Cone
591.5 Beachy
524 Troy
441 Castelluci

Hope this helps.
Mikkal

10/17/2004 11:57:02 AM

Hilpoltstein, Bavaria, Germany

Mikkal,

How many 801.5 X 845 (or 845 X 801.5) crosses have been made?

Martin

PS: I will have seeds available from this cross in about one month.

10/17/2004 1:47:12 PM

Alex, IN

I only found two that were 845 X 801.5 They are:

350 Garrell
231 Stucker

Mikkal

10/17/2004 10:01:46 PM