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Southern Illinois

I'm trying to verify the authenticity of a seed. Has anyone heard of a cross between a 805 Pukos(male)x 859 Mombert(female) that grew to 1440 lbs?

10/26/2004 7:51:02 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

453 Normand 2001 was a (F) 859 Mombert x (M) 805 Pukos.
The 743 Normand 2001 was the reverse cross.

10/26/2004 8:14:27 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

Better seeds are to be had here...I would let this ebay seller know he is false advertising, which is a punishable offense.

10/26/2004 10:26:45 PM

Atlanta, Georgia

Linus,
I thought that Dills Atlantic Giant could now be sold legally since the time ran out for Howard Dill and his patent. I may be wrong but I think I'm right.

I'd still never sell a seed personally and think that things should stay as they've always been.
Michel

10/27/2004 2:41:54 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

Seeds can be sold. Unauthorized sellers cannot use Howard Dill's copyright protected name "Dill's Atlantic Giant".

I think Shannon means that this person is marketing a seed as having produced a 1400 pound fruit & it didn't. This is false advertising.

10/27/2004 7:42:08 AM

Itzetown City

You may do what you want to do, but I urge everyone on this site not to buy AG-Seeds from ebay sellers.
There are some nasty customers out there. I know one of them here in Germany nearby, he receive seeds for nothing from our us-pumpkin-friends on BP.com and now he is selling the same or self grown seeds on ebay. Shame...!
And I´ll tell you what, there are very better seeds to get from our friens here.

10/27/2004 7:58:05 AM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

Advertising 1440 pounds of a 743 Normand 2001 is false advertising. Using The Dills Atlantic Giant Trademark name is still illegal. Heck some of these idiots are even using Howards Picture on there auctions. I think we should do what the Good Doctor did a few years ago..Offer seeds for a penny plus postage and wipe these guys out. A Lot of people assume that the seeds to these pumpkins cost 100's of Dollars. When in truth ask us and we are more than willing to give you seeds.

10/27/2004 12:06:28 PM

Hayes, Virginia

Linus i like that idea!!!
then return the penny when we ship the seed..

10/27/2004 3:24:12 PM

Southern Illinois

Thanks guys for all your input. A few of you out there have already given me some good seed, I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. If any one else has a few they would be willing to part with let me know. Thanks guys, I'm a first year grower so I'm new at this game. I hit the 400lb mark this year hoping for much bigger next.

10/27/2004 4:52:55 PM

Md/ Usa

Linus is my hero you are wrong.
Variety Naming Guidelines
Here are some of the guidelines for naming new varieties to comply with the Federal Seed Act.

A variety can only have one name.

The same name cannot be given to more than one variety of the same kind or a closely related kind. Kinds of the same species such as pumpkin and squash, field corn and sweet corn, and garden bean and field bean cannot have varieties with the same name. Closely related kinds that are known to intercross such as wheat and triticale cannot have varieties with the same name.

A variety name cannot be misleading such as a name that is similar to an existing name but differs only in spelling or punctuation.

Varieties with names derived from the name of an existing variety must be closely related to the existing variety.

Variety names may contain trademarks, but the trademark status is lost in the sense that anyone marketing seed of that variety must use the entire variety name including the trademark.

A trademark symbol or registered trademark symbol cannot be displayed in the variety name.

A trademark by itself cannot be a variety name and a variety name cannot be trademarked.

10/28/2004 7:52:36 AM

Md/ Usa

so basicly it is perfectly legal to call any ag seed you have a dill's atlantic giant when you legelly sell your seed.Which you can sell at time because dill's pvp has expired.

10/28/2004 7:55:49 AM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

Matt if you claim you have a seed that grew a 1440 Pumpkin. Is this not misleading, or false. Maybe Jill Paceli(sp) planted this seed this year? I am not saying you can not sell your seeds. If this is the low life way you want to go, go for it. I will continue to trade seeds and give seeds away every year. Just as those people did that got me into this crazy hobby. Matt Do you have a garden or a patch, Or just spread a lot of manure

10/28/2004 9:17:04 AM

Md/ Usa

tremor i was responding to following statement you made.
" Unauthorized sellers cannot use Howard Dill's copyright protected name "Dill's Atlantic Giant"."

Not the statement about the seed growing 1400 fruit.
linus you need read a person whole post before berating them. yes have a patch.

10/28/2004 9:58:55 AM

Md/ Usa

i ment linus not tremor.

10/28/2004 10:04:04 AM

I'm with Gordon... GO UTES!

"Unauthorized sellers cannot use Howard Dill's copyright
protected name "Dill's Altantic Giant"".

Exactly... is that person on Ebay an "authorized seller"? I
highly doubt it.

Dill's company makes money by "licensing" others to sell the
seed. So for example companies like "Gurney's" who sell out
of catalogs... you can bet that they have a license with Dill's
company to allow them to sell those seeds and use Dill's
picture in their catalog. Gurney's gets a license by paying
for it. Did this Ebay seller?

10/28/2004 10:24:41 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

I searched eBay & didn't see a 1440 lb seed offer. Is it gone?

The guy with Howard's picture I think is a real deal authorized seedsman. I think Howard made a post about this a couple years ago.

10/28/2004 11:20:23 AM

Md/ Usa

cliffrwarren yes they read the abposted info i posted above
"Variety names may contain trademarks, but the trademark status is lost in the sense that anyone marketing seed of that variety must use the entire variety name including the trademark.

A trademark symbol or registered trademark symbol cannot be displayed in the variety name.

A trademark by itself cannot be a variety name and a variety name cannot be trademarked. "


The only licensing dill did is the licensing people and companies the sale of the former pvp on his seed variety since the pvp has expire dill can't license the sale ag seed any longer and if does it is fraud.

10/28/2004 11:28:22 AM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

More power to the people who want to sell there seeds on Ebay. It has nothing to do with copyrights, patents, trademarks, or any other garbage, as far as I am concerned. It has to do with honor, dignity, and respect of others. I was given seeds and will do the same to others. If I want to make money I will sell the pumpkin itself.

10/28/2004 12:10:31 PM

Southern Illinois

Tremor, this listing ended a couple of days ago. The ad said"seed from a giant pumpkin which grew to 1440 lbs and took 3rd place in the North American Giant Pumpkin growing contest" When I e-mailed about genetics they said it was a 805 Pukos(male)x859 Mombert(female) and was a 743 Nomand. No explanation of where the 1440 lb number came from. The listing was in England. (It did not say Atlantic Giant anywhere)

10/28/2004 5:40:19 PM

Atlanta, Georgia

Here we go again!

I was one of the fools to try to sell my 513.7 seeds on eBay a few years ago when I didn't know it was illegal. I ended up sending out the seeds for free and sending each and every person their money back or tore up their checks.

There are millions of great seeds floating around and I have hundreds of them here at home that are always available for free except that I can't afford so much postage and will have to ask for a few bucks.

It's been great receiving seeds from the top growers for free and it'd be a shame and is a shame to see them being sold. P and P is a great example...but you can't fight city hall. 20 to 30 bucks for one seed! Phooey!

10/29/2004 3:27:20 AM