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Why did i want this seed? I completly forgot. Give ma=e some information on it please.

11/1/2004 8:28:23 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

*Friendly tip*
If you can't remember why you wanted a seed, slow down on the seed requests....

11/2/2004 12:47:00 AM

Thaks Southern. Guess I'm a little eager.

11/2/2004 7:12:09 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

That's OK Alex, we all were/still are!
Keep track of what you're looking for, and from where you get it...and who you send bubbles too. It'll save you aggravation down the road.

11/2/2004 9:46:59 PM

Vineman

Eugene,OR

The 727 Pearce grew one over 1000 this year. I grew one which taped to an estimated 700 lbs before I caved in to capitalism and sold it. Great plant, good genetics. My main vine broke off a couple times just before I was going to pollinate it, which made mine very late and wrecked its potential. I would grow it again.

11/3/2004 12:04:57 AM

SmallTownUSA

Alex, IN

The 727 grew the 1054 Howard that I saw in person. This pumpkin was a beauty! It was estimated over 1100. The shape of this pumpkin was great, almost perfect height, width and lenght. If you have this seed I would grow it.

Mikkal

11/3/2004 2:27:08 AM

Camera

Abbotsford, B.C

I believe the cross was 1337 Houghton x 1230 Daletas. Sounds good on paper (or in this case, on computer) and it seems to have proved itself in the patch too!

11/3/2004 4:57:21 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Well, it has grown well so far, and I see the thinking in maternal 935 Lloyd on one side, and maternal 801.5 on the other...but the rest of the cross just looks confused to me, no logical order after the maternal genetics.
But it's doing well, no denying that.

11/3/2004 5:21:49 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

Ernie,
If you read this, can you explain why you think your cross is successful? Or has Kyle summed it up? I'm just trying to learn all I can. Thanks.

Doug

11/3/2004 7:09:13 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

Another plus for the seed, is that the females(1337 and 1230) of the cross were both quite large. It just hit me after I posted above.
I don't know how the pollinator(male) plants did.

Doug

11/3/2004 7:13:02 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

The pollinator for the 1337 grew the 1058 Houghton

11/3/2004 8:19:37 PM

Thanks southern. The reason i wanted it is because of the 801.5 and the 935. I think it is the fact that it could produce pretty and pretty heavy offspring. Plus wasn't a 935 offspring. The 935 offspring has produced 42 1000+ pumpkins!!!!

11/3/2004 8:35:25 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Quite a few, well most actually, of todays heavy producing seed have 935 Lloyd in their background. If you want some 935 Lloyd isolation crosses for pure 935 genetics, I did some crosses last year..or you could get a few Scott Armstrong, Andy Wolf, Angus Bruce, maybe a 1092 Burke, or the heavy OTC 846 Grohs seed.
If you want 935 genes for pollinating, I have several isolation crosses from 2003 that would fit the bill.

11/3/2004 9:16:44 PM

Thanks for the help southern. Kinda confusing post there send me an emial to elaborate to me. I'm still pretty new learning about genetics here.

11/3/2004 9:25:28 PM

Kyle I think i really need to keep track off the requests. I think i'm almost done. Ecept for a few heavy hitters.

11/3/2004 9:30:17 PM

Giant Veggies

Sask, Canada

Ok I'll comment on this thread,

Yes there is some what of a pattern and not.

Here goes, the best cross out there to date is the 723 and 846 or reverse. (842, 1236, 1260, 1038 and so on)

In 2002 the top 5 seeds by weight were the
723 Bobier, 845 Bobier, 846 Calai, 712 Kuhn, 705 Stelts

The 723 and 845 are the same cross so the 727 Pearce has the top 4 seeds in 2002 in one cross. Plus the Lloyd and Stelts genetics are both line bred seeds, the seeds above are all outcrosses of these lines.

The 845 is a proven seed in this cross meaning the genetics is there creating the 1337, the male pollinator also proven grew the 1058.

The 705 proven by growing the 1230 and while the plant did not create a proven pollinator it did grow two 1000+ lbs on the same plant, 1016.

So you have two siblings from one cross from a line breed one grows the 1337 the reverse cross grows the 1058. The other seed has two siblings of a different line breed one plant grows a 1230 and 1016.

At the time this was the best seeds to use for this type of cross. that is why I believe it will pop alot of 1000+ lb pumpkins but is not the best cross out there.

If you guys want a tip on one of the best seeds out there look at the 1420.5 LaRue this is a seed to watch. If you want a selective breeding strategy for this seed e-mail me.

TTYL
Ernie
Giant Veggies

11/4/2004 2:08:02 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Lots of examples of many different types of crosses like that, and other variations, floating around. Yea, none off the top of my head, but plenty of good mixes, and theories, and postulations, and ideas, and genetic variations.....
Look at these, wonder why they might be/are good....
1071 Houghton
916 Golat
1058 Papez
1446 AE
944.2 Lloyd
897.5 Davies
1170 Hopkins
890 Emmons
1120 Jutras
951 Castellucci
Or how about the "old-school" (Big-n-Heavy X Big-n-Heavy)? Not much thinking too it, but works for alot of the top growers, eh?

11/4/2004 6:38:54 PM

Giant Veggies

Sask, Canada

Kyle:

I have no idea what you mean, none of those seeds even resemble the 727 cross.

All I'm going to say is that is not about big n heavy, or heavy to chart that is but one aspect of creating a good cross.

TTYL
Ernie
Giant Veggies

11/5/2004 1:10:08 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

Ernie,
I never said those listed seed were like your cross, I obviously know they are not.
I meant to show those as a collection of various examples of crosses, that one could pick apart with reasoning as to their validity...that's why I wrote "Look at these, wonder why they might be/are good...."

11/5/2004 10:52:15 AM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

Can anyone give me a link to a picture of the 1054 Howard?

Doug

11/16/2004 11:53:35 AM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

Can someone give me a link to a picture of the 1054 Howard, or at least describe the color?

Doug

11/16/2004 11:54:50 AM

SmallTownUSA

Alex, IN

Here is a link for the 1054: http://www.bigpumpkins.com/DisplayPhoto.asp?pid=3437

If you e-mail me I will send you a few more pic's of the 1054. I will also try to put them in my grower diary soon.

Mikkal

11/16/2004 12:03:16 PM