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Sparta, NC

If you wanted to add more orange to a pumpkin which genetics would you want to add. what genetics other than 801.5, 869 and 940 would add orange?

11/28/2004 6:11:44 PM

Hilpoltstein, Bavaria, Germany

810 Dill

11/28/2004 6:40:13 PM

Norton, MA

1016 Daletas, 846 Calai, most 846 offspring. Alex.

11/28/2004 7:42:25 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

All good suggestions but nearly as hard to obtain. Other suggestions might include:

735 Pukos (846 Calai x self)
798 Carlson-Petersen '04 (735 Pukos X self)
724.5 Carlson '02 (846 Calai x self)
872 Carlson-Petersen '04 (724.5 Carlson x self)

The 801, 940 Mombert '00, & the 846 have all been selfed & maybe even sibbed by other growers too. I'll look around later.

11/28/2004 8:56:27 PM

No Place Special

How about 1125 Frantz 04' (869.5 calai X 1225 Jutras) The 1225 jutras was a VERY good looking pumpkin and the 1125 was also very nice color... perfect in my opinion. Pics of the 1125 can be seen in my diary. Im growing it next year with the hopes of a 1000 plus pound beauty!

Mike Frantz

11/28/2004 10:25:10 PM

Deer Park WA

Steve, have any of the 801, 940, 846 selfed/sibbed fruit been heavy to the charts? It's been our experience the shiney orange ones go light...

Sambo if you like orange our 410# from 2000 (810 Dill X Waterman 1-ton cross) throws blood red thick fruit.

11/29/2004 12:12:00 AM

Indiana

get some of those old gancarz genes they can go pretty orange so I hear

11/29/2004 1:15:45 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

731 Stucker, 503 Grunow...my selfed 940 Mombert '00 is available, and I have an unlisted (503 Grunow x 731 Stucker) seed available if you'd like some Sam

11/29/2004 6:46:21 AM

I'm with Gordon... GO UTES!

This brings to mind a thread a few years ago on the hort.net
giant pumpkin list (back when it was *the* place to discuss
this stuff). It had to do with classifying the individual genes
involved here. There is an "R" gene, which refers to the
color red or red-orange. There is a "B" gene which is the
creamy, yellow, light orange, etc. and a "b" gene which is
green.

B is dominant over b.
R is "eventually dominant" over b, meaning that the color
may show green throughout the season and then turn red late
in the year...

B and R appear to be co-dominant.

Some fruits seem to have the R gene set (RR)? the most
notable being that long lost 609 Laemelle.

Anyway, I'll have to dig up the thread to remember more.

11/29/2004 11:03:16 AM

Hilpoltstein, Bavaria, Germany

yes, of course my own seeds are available, too. I didn't offer them as I thought you were looking for proven ones...

497 Reiss 04 (801.5 Stelts 97 X self)
472 Reiss 04 (801.5 Stelts 97 X 1016 Daletas)
401 Reiss 04 (783 Daletas 00 X 801.5 Stelts 97)
269 Reiss 04 (810 Dill 99 X 1016 Daletas)

I have more crosses but these should be the best for your purpose... let me know if you are interested!

Martin

11/29/2004 11:03:42 AM

Long Island,New York

Cliff...just remember old threads aren't neccessarily true anymore...as we grow we learn. I'll bet dollars to donuts that the color rules you mention are debatable today....G

11/29/2004 5:37:10 PM

Cincinnati,OH

Was the 567.5 Mombert (609 Laemelle x 616 Holland) the only 609 cross? or where the rest just forgotten?

11/29/2004 5:56:28 PM

In the shade - PDX, OR

782 Stucker - Combo of the 940 & 801

11/29/2004 7:35:56 PM

Sparta, NC

Thanks for all the advice and seed offers, but I have plenty of seeds with the genetics mentioned. I was just wondering which ones would add orange. Thanks again

11/29/2004 9:46:13 PM

Spokane, WA

My 883 of course :0) (1048.6 Companion x Self) check it out at:
http://www.bigpumpkins.com/displayphoto.asp?pid=3245&gid=-27016
Adam

11/29/2004 10:11:02 PM

No Place Special

nice looking pumpin Adam but it doesn't get any prettier than the 1125 Frantz 04'. Sorry, thats my story and im sticking to it...LOL! Se it at: http://bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=28200

Mike Frantz

11/29/2004 11:37:06 PM

Covington, WA

Gads, orange shiney and smooth is not exclusive to light pumpkins. My daughters 616 this year was orange, shiney and smooth and over 13% above the estimated weight for it's size. It was grown from her 576 from last year which was a remarkably unpretty pumpkin with all it's pretty genes not being expressed. It's predominantly 567.5 and 940 98 Mombert genetics with a bit of 935 Lloyd thrown in. You can look at my diary and see it there. Molly wants to grow her 616 next year. I will grow her 576 and see what dad can do with it. Good color remains a bit of a crap shoot, what with dominants and recessives and who knows how many genes involved in the expression of fruit color. This remains an area that can be difficult to predict and it's best do plant a proven color producer and hope yours isn't the ugly duckling of the family.

11/30/2004 12:40:23 AM

Syracuse, NY

inevitably, i have to add-in my 728.5 Gerry '01 cross,
845 Bobier X 1140 Stelts.
look at the 728.5, then the 735 Drake on the AGGC, its
1st known offspring. obviously, 1140=good color-adder!
and yes, Mr. Frantz, you had a very
pretty pumpkin. i showed that puppy off for you at work!
people passed out! well, just me, but whatever! i'm a people! lol....anyway.............eric

11/30/2004 1:20:58 AM

Woodburn, Indiana

gancarz? who's that.

11/30/2004 10:08:29 AM

Central Connecticut

I'll throw in my 2 cents and my 600 fasciano uow '04...Nice color and shape, very ribby...(978.6 berard x 1048.6 companion )both have 810 dill genetics...sorry never posted a picture from the final days...Chris

11/30/2004 12:55:09 PM

I'm with Gordon... GO UTES!

I'm looking at that old thread now, it's mostly a discussion
between Mike Brock and Al Eaton. One of the best I've seen...
Of course, it's older so this list would probably reject it. (?)

O-Kaaay, I'll keep it to myself. LOL

11/30/2004 1:49:52 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

The whole crossing to add color is a Guestimate at best. In 2003 I planted a 934 Kennedy (846 Calai x 805 Pukos). I prefer the orange and pretty ones. Thinking the 805 would add weight to the 846. I planted this seed. I ended up with a white fruit that turned army truck green during the last 3 weeks of September. It was 17% heavy though so I guess i got the weight part.

11/30/2004 2:58:22 PM

Wichita, KS

659 Troy 03 for shape, COLOR, and heat tolerance.

I am planting 5 of them in 05. I plan to self all of them in an effort to eliminate the "guestimate" factor as much as possible in 06, and in 07.

12/1/2004 4:25:53 PM

Vancouver, White Rock, Canada

1225 Jutras was Very orange, or like Mike said, his 1125 looks good.

12/12/2004 5:11:09 PM