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Colorado

It's interesting that the bobier seeds (723 and 845) seem to have some hidden squash genes. On AGGC the 1025 Sherwood (848* x 723 bobier) produced the 990* swartz. Based on the ss x PP analysis, I don't think you would expect a squash for swartz.

what other pumpkins out there do you think have hidden squash genes? I've always wondered if the 1288 wallace had any.

3/4/2011 9:53:41 PM

Corryton, TN

If you look at the progeny listing for the 723 bobier there are at least 3 fruit that were judged to be squash under the rules at that time. I don't know if they were the same or not.
Assuming they were squash by todays rules AND only 1 gene controls color, the 723 would have been from a Ps X Ps where about 1 in 4 of the 723's seeds produce a squash.

The 1288 is good example of a plant that could carry a spotting and/or white gene. I have no idea how they will show up in their offspring.

Is a spotting gene there? Is it green dominate? If it there does a white gene just dilute color? If there are 2 white genes do they eliminate color? Could we have a lot of white squash out there?

Our answers will only come by growing more greenies and crosses.

3/5/2011 7:57:06 AM

Western PA

Hey Pete,

I see you been doing some serious squash research, do you plan to cross your 1306 with a greenie and making a new super line of squash?

3/14/2011 11:18:15 AM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

Pete
If you go back one generation, The 935 Lloyd has thrown some true greenies, I believe the 703 Smith was a direct decendant of that.

3/14/2011 11:20:20 AM

Adams County

So would it be a good idea to cross say a 845 x green or green x 845. the 845 was a pretty good pollinator

3/14/2011 7:18:57 PM

Colorado

yep, been doing a lot of squash research... must still be winter, LOL. no squash cross plans for my 1306, but I do like some of the recent pumpkin x squash crosses (1531, 806)

cool Eddy- thats exactly the kind of fruit I was looking for. Interesting to see some green ones pop up like that.

3/14/2011 10:25:49 PM

Lloydminster/AB

Hmmm wasn't there a squash grown from the 845 Bobier. Maybe a Nesbitt grown fruit. Time to check the archives.

3/14/2011 11:45:18 PM

Lloydminster/AB

970 Nesbitt 03. Light green though. AGGC never fails!

3/15/2011 12:01:29 AM

Netherlands

So we cross a pumpkin with a squash (or the other way around if you prefer). Then we cross squash back into it until the orange definately disappears.

I have two questions.
1. How do we know that the size we were trying to put into the squash line by means of the pumpkin doesn't disappear when the colour does?
2. How do we know that the pumpkin genes have more potential than the squash genes in the first place? Could there be other factors, other than genes, that are contributing to the weight difference between the two? In Europe we have several growers that seriously grow both pumpkins and squash. Their PBs are pretty much the same for both.

3/15/2011 4:08:40 AM

Picton,ON (j.vincent@xplornet.ca)

I agree Brad. Currently my PBs are 1236* and 1339 (2010).In 2011 I grew 935* and 1040. In 2009 I grew 1132* and 1170. I think there's a lot more in these things than people realize.

3/15/2011 7:51:47 AM

Nekoosa, Wisconsin

Brad, the only way to find out is to make the crosses and grow them out. I am doing some of that this year. It will be interesting to see all the different shapes and colors. :)

3/15/2011 12:34:01 PM

Oswego,ny

for me the older seeds are a difficult call because they were judged differently..would they be expected to throw a greeny by todays standards? When I look at older weigh-in pictures , some of the squash winners looked a little different than what we want today.
pictures and aggc shure help,but I'm trying a classic green one for size this year , and trying a couple squash pumpkin crosses pollenated with green just for genetics to see if I get something out of the ordinary for future years.Hoping that sooner or later a recesive gene will show up and become dominant in the progeny.
just think if the 1531 by some coincidence would have been green...the possibilities.....

3/22/2011 1:33:37 AM

Springfield, Missouri

I have been looking on aggc.org for pumpkins to use in the breeding program I am doing.

Here is a list of Squampkins and the seeds that produced them. I think that there is a good possibility that these pumpkins could have some hidden green genes.


1488 Marsh - Grew the 1674 Marsh
1288 Wallace- Grew the 1658 Young and 1536 Sweet
1725 Harp- Grew 1622 Liggett
1381 Swartz- Grew 1542 Swartz
664 Liggett- Grew 1524 Liggett, 1183.5 Zoellner/(tan/grey)

5/3/2011 1:36:51 AM

Muddy Waters

I think all of your older seeds 5-6 years & older will have a squash gene somewhere.When did they change the ruling on Squash to all green??I went to weigh-off this year & learned if they have (any) orange there a kin.These would have been Squash back in 2003 when I was growing heavy,There making the squash pure in color & shape,and all those ugly mutts sre now kins,The squash will continue to get prettier,but Im afraid the Kins will get uglier as they get bigger,Growing strickly for weight will get Ugly!I think the ruling improved the squash,but not the Kins!!

5/3/2011 6:41:15 AM

Linden, Mi.,

We grow for weight, not for looks
give me a call

5/3/2011 9:02:22 AM