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Greencastle, PA

After reading what many squash growers are planting i have found that a vast majority have a lot of 895.5 in them. Fortunately a few growers plan on planting some of Len Stellpflug's seeds, that should keep the gene pool varied. I am still concerned however that too many growers are growing only 895.5 strain seeds. That's just my 2 cents.
Tom

1/24/2004 9:19:49 PM

mcminnville oregon

hey you: i hear ya!? ive got one stellpflug strain! 536.5 kaczenski, one seed!!! ive been trying to figure out the best way to utilize it!!! while still continuing with 552 sibb! i thought the wishbone would allow a 536.5 self, and the 536.5 x 552 cross!!! ill also use as pollinator!

1/25/2004 11:48:51 PM

Norton, MA

Dave the 536.5 is 771 Stellpflug X self. The 771 is 895.5 X 611 Stellpflug. That means a full HALF the grandparents are 895.

1/26/2004 6:22:26 AM

Rocky-r@stny.rr.com

Imagine if 4 years ago, people kept saying.. I dont think we should use the 935 Lloyd , Bobier 723, or that darn 846 Calai as much. If the gene is strong, go with it. If you want to cross another into it, do that also. But when 2 years ago, the greenie percentage recorded compared to the orange on the AGGC was far less than 1 percent, and within 2 years, it will rise above 5-10 percent, we will thank the 895 and Mr Hester for its popularity.

I do agree (altough I selfed my 717 last year - 895.5 X Self) that we need to cross some different traits into it, think about some others such as the Wells 732 or Quinn Werners 899, or if you want to take a shot at a oddity, throw that Nesbitt 970 or Jerry Roses big one into the mix..

Ohhh the possibilities..

GO GREEN!

1/26/2004 6:47:55 AM

Western NY

good one rocky. and for the record, i'm pretty sure people back then WERE saying we should lay off overusing the top seeds.

my reccomendation - keep using (or overusing) the 895 seed stock. it's going to lead to the first true green ones over 1000. there's always going to be those out there growing the non-895 line, and crossing it into the 895. in a few years, that's where the 723's and 845's of the green world are going to come in. right now we're just stuck with the 935 of the green world.

1/26/2004 8:44:36 AM

Commack, NY

hey Rocky, how about that 879 of yours?

1/26/2004 9:07:31 AM

Spokane, WA

What about the Hebb 990? That one throws big "mostly" green ones. And there's no 895.5 in it. It would be a good one to try.

1/26/2004 8:09:07 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Anybody notice Casey's 494#?
30% heavy, 1 generation with the 900.5 Lyons, no 895.5 at all.

1/26/2004 8:23:46 PM

Greencastle, PA

I think Nic Welty has something with his 312, 895.5 x 829 Gancarz. the 895.5 came from the 900.5, so the 494 may be more liek the 895 than you think. A lot of squash seeds today have 900.5 in them. It would be very wise to grow some of the older Stellpflug or Nesbitt seeds before they're too old. Maybe I will in 2005, I'm hoping to do some squash crosses. One of which will be my green version of the 815 Checkon, 411 Inzero x 703 Smith. one side has the 697/1006 genes, the other has 935 genes, liek the 815, but have been selfed for several generations, which could result in more hybrid vigor. Both were a very nice green, but there are some orange genes in there, but the green gene is dominant.
Tom

1/26/2004 10:27:25 PM

Deer Park WA

Southern, The 895.5 Hester was produced from a 900.8 Lyons Sibb???

1/26/2004 11:53:52 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

....the 900 Lyons there was crossed with the 539 Stellpflug*, so not the same seed. OK, half the genetics of the 895.5* but still not the same seed, look how it was crossed after that...Ya wanna get technical fine, but I don't consider it having 895.5* in it, 3 other seed variables added after the 900.

1/27/2004 7:17:07 AM

Long Island,New York

So at what point did the 895.5Hester become something other than the 900Lyons line?...just curious.........G

1/27/2004 11:05:01 AM

Greencastle, PA

you said 1st generation 900.8, nothing about the pollinator. That is a pretty nice cross.
G,
The only difference between the 900.8 and 895.5 is a narrower gene pool. The 900.8 could be to squash what the 575 Dill is to pumpkins, but there needs to be more diversity I think. It seems that most squash growers have plans to grow an 895, or 895 offspring. I think that the 895.5 is the best bet to grow the first 1000 pound squash, so it should be grown, and it's genes should be passed on, but i'm sure you agree with me that adding some Stellpflug, Nesbitt, or Gancarz genes into the mix wouldn't hurt.
Tom

1/27/2004 2:07:22 PM

ontario

well with Boily having three 970 Nesbitts growing and all three showing green fruit.....my bets 970 going to be a squash seed....going in my patch

1/27/2004 2:13:49 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

my point was they're different seeds, even if they both originated from the same mother.....comparing apples to oranges

1/27/2004 6:36:09 PM

Rocky-r@stny.rr.com

My 879 Scott, is going into quite a few gardens this year. I am growing it, I know G is growing it, and I have sent out the last 20 I had in the past 3 weeks. Not one request for it for the past 2 years, and this year I get bombarded with requests. Quite funny.

The 879 is a UOW squash that is grown from the Andersen 815 and selfed. The Andersen 815 was orange, but threw 50 percent or so orange, the other half came out true green squash. The 565 Andrews (1999) came from the 815 and was true blue green squash.. From the 565 came the 823 Edwards, true blue green squash, all three which were heavily canteloped and all heavy to the charts. 879 was 14.1 percent over the charts, the 565 Andrews was 15.26 percent over the chart, and the 823 Edwards was 3.28 percent over the charts.

The only problem is the 879 has a rough time germinating. As a UOW fruit, it had some seeds go bad, and germination was about 50 percent.

As for true green, this is one.. oddly as it may seem...

1/27/2004 7:00:04 PM

Rocky-r@stny.rr.com

I am now completely out of 879's the only way to get them is to find those dang seed mongers who hoard them and ask them for one. I know the PGPGA has some, and there should be one or two going into next months auction... Unofficially, the PGPGA auction will be in mid February, probably the 22nd or so..

1/27/2004 7:02:23 PM

Norton, MA

If you don't want your 895s then give em to me! LOL. I could give ya a few blue hubbard seeds for sure. LOL!

1/27/2004 8:05:01 PM

Commack, NY

Rock, you gave me a few a few years back, if i remember correctly some of them had some black stuff on the seed coats, but id be happy to send them back to you since you dont have any, and know how keen on green you are.

Scott

1/27/2004 9:52:03 PM

Deer Park WA

Rock, we sent you off the last two of the 834* auction seeds yesterday. Hope they get their ok! In respect to this thread; Yes Tom they are more of the pesky 895.5 Hester X self; (900.8 Lyons Sibb)on the green side seeds!

1/27/2004 11:02:53 PM

Deer Park WA

OOps 895 Hester by Sibb; Dang beer!

1/27/2004 11:07:39 PM

Rocky-r@stny.rr.com

Thanks Gerry.

and to Scott, thanks for the info, if I decide I need another one, glad to know they are out there somewhere, lurking..

The one squash seed I wish I had, which after my 2 hour searching of just greenies tonite in the AGGC, is the Hester 675, that grew Quinn's 899. Awesome true blue..

1/27/2004 11:35:41 PM

Cornelius, Oregon

There is a few other choices that do not make the AGGC due to their sub-500 pound weight.
In 2000, on the same plant as the 895, I had a sister fruit in the 498. It too has thrown 100% green squash. The 498 is a 900 Lyons x 815 Anderson.
In 1999, I grew a beautiful green/blue squash off the 738 Stellpflug that was taken to the Puyallup Fair that weighed 474.5 and was way over chart. It was crossed with the 900 lyons. It too has produced 100% green offspring.
These two seeds are very overlooked and do very well. Why haven't I planted them? Well, I still have my 895's and now the 675.

1/28/2004 1:07:49 PM