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Tasmania Australia

Hi, I was just reading through the latest edition of SNGPG and came across a topic that just touched on vine burying
I have noticed with my vines at the end of the season when I pull them up, that some have just completely or partially rotted away, not all of them, just a few.
In the article, there was a mention of placing down a whit weed mat and then just cutting small holed for the tap roots to go down into the soil.
Has anyone here tried this before and how their vines looked at the end of the season?
I was thinking of trying this out myself, but yet to find a great deal of information on this idea or if it is worth while.
I am guessing that i will still need to place some soil at the leaf nodes to get the tap roots to form though.
Any information would be appreciated,
Cheers.

[Last edit: 04/01/24 12:24:24 AM]

4/1/2024 12:22:09 AM

Syracuse, NY

Site Search (top right of this window)

Vine Burying

an example find:

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=338264

Also -

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=330709

I am unsure of the likeability of it and the end results as to if it is becoming mainstream;
You'll have to read this diary at this page and from the start and the '23 of his and others'
butt I do believe it is a promising option. I hate weeds, too! Good luck---eric g

[Last edit: 04/01/24 2:41:00 AM]

4/1/2024 2:28:20 AM

Tasmania Australia

Appreciate those couple of links,
The second one is what I was looking for, using weed mat.
It is just something I am thinking of trying as i am thinking that burying my entire secondary vines is causing more trouble I am thinking that burying them with my clay bases soil is causing them to break now, I was thinking that by using a weed mat and just placing soil on the leaf nodes, this may help a fair amount.

4/1/2024 3:40:39 AM

Syracuse, NY

Yup - combine the two methods, I suppose. I aim to please!
But, am I to?...Oh! I have done about .01% of the vine burying I have been supposed to do over the years, so any doing so on your part will be beneficial. Another technique is to dig a trench outward from the main vine where it is obvious that a side vine will be growing and lay the vine as it grows into the trench and then bury it along as it grows. It'd be cool to leave the soil from the trench along the trench to simply shove it over on top of the vine AS it were to grow - a work in progress! Good Luck! eg

4/1/2024 5:12:06 AM

Grittyville, WA

I think someday we'll realize less burying is better. You can get some nice sized roots even if soil only barely contacts the underside of the node. Full burying... is not the only method. These other "half-methods" should be explored.

Perhaps having only 2 roots per node, rather than 4, is not a bad thing? If they are twice as big, then whats the difference?

A root that is 1.414 X the diameter of another root, is actually twice as big as that other root. Four roots of diameter 1 cm, should be roughly equal to two roots each of diameter 1.414 cm.

Maybe you can just grow 2 big healthy roots on the underside of the vine and call this good?? Idk.

[Last edit: 04/02/24 5:17:17 AM]

4/2/2024 4:59:27 AM

Grittyville, WA

I was happy with how my vines and plant turned out without doing a full-bury method. I just made sure there was good soil contact at the node but didnt fully bury. I did this by adding dirt at the nodes but then rinsing most of it off, until only the "keel" of the vine was "submersed" below the dirt. The top of the vine was fully exposed.
I thought it worked great.

Imho, the best reason for full burying is pest control (vine borers). But also some growers think 4 roots is better than 2. I think on the side vines, 2 roots is plenty. Maybe getting more than that # on the main vine would be good.

4/2/2024 5:12:35 AM

New Castle, Indiana

I think a lot of growers, including myself, are moving away from literally burying vines and instead are just covering the nodes of the secondaries with some combination of soil or peatmoss and Azos. Especially if you have pesticide programs in place and vine borer traps.

4/12/2024 11:26:41 PM