Here is a shot of my 1230 Daletas pumpkin 12 feet out on the main. Notice how the vine went flat/double just after the pumpkin. I set this one on june 27th nice stem angle only a four lobe but it has doubled in size in two days so I believe it will take. I plan on growing this one out as an experiment since the vine went flat at the next leaf axil. Maybe it will give her an advantage. Oh ya I crossed it with two males from my 644 from last year (white seed).