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Ankeny, Iowa

Does anyone have any seeds from a thousand pounder or a 900 pounder? If so please contact me at racefan35603@yahoo.com

11/23/2001 4:14:19 PM

Indiana

size means nothing, some of the best genetics I know are from fruit under 500 puunds. The greateest seed of all time (just my opinion) is the 567.5 Mombert. So a seed from a 900 lber could grow a 200 pound pumpkin, and a seed from a 200 pounder could grow a 900 lber. Get my point, look at the genetics, no the weight behind the seed.
Tom Beachy

11/23/2001 6:19:39 PM

Connecticut

Well said Tom!

11/23/2001 7:24:39 PM

western Kentucky

i was goin to say the same thing but u beat me to the punch.... Hey Junior.... he is exactly right... genetics is the key to the seeds not the weight of the pumpkin they came from:)

Justin

11/23/2001 7:36:39 PM

Connecticut

They are now on the seed page if you act quick.

11/23/2001 7:54:10 PM

canal winchester ohio

Hey Junior where ya from???
Some seeds grow better in certain areas than others...Paul

11/24/2001 10:17:31 AM

Utah

"size means nothing"- come on now !!!!
- sure genetic are important and folks look at that.
but don't me size doesn't matter- generally speaking
seeds from large pumpkins produce large pumpkins.
size is genetics.
can you tell me that you wouldn't be interested in seeds from a 1500+ lb pumpkin with unknown genetics ?
last year i grew a 365 lb-er off an 865 Mettler (cross
a 471 Hester- which comes from the 935 Lloyd and the 946.5
Geerts) - i offered them free for a SASBP. got about
8-10 requests... how many requests did people that grew
1000 Lb + pumpkins get ?.... answer: A lot more than 10.

Not trying to be rude here... so please don't take it that
way. just trying to be realistic.

11/26/2001 3:57:39 PM

Webster, NY

I'm not expert, and in general I agree with you. Big means big, orange means orange, ect. However, Big with poor genetics might not mean much. A 1000 pounder in the hands of an experianced grower who you can be pretty sure pollinated from a good plant I would take a chance on. Someone who got lucky, and got it by pollinating with, who knows what, I might wait a year and see what happens with it.

Again, I'm no expert, just my opinion.

11/26/2001 5:09:17 PM

Utah

you're right a 1000+ lb-er that was say - a
723 Bobier x open... might not be the best seed -
because of the "open". and probably not to many
of us would grow it. but like you said.. maybe
next year ... but if none of us want to grow it,
then how can we find out if it is good or not ????
but very few 900 and 1000 + lb-er that are out there
are "open". I can think of one !
maybe junior needs a little lesson in
pumpkin genetic to expand his knowledge base... but i
think he had a good idea.. you want big you start
from big. and in my opinion for people to tell him that
size doesn't mean anything - wasn't the best answer.

11/26/2001 5:39:41 PM

Indiana

Ok, I have to respond,
size has nothing to do with the genetics, size is a factor of how good the grower is, or the conditions the fruit is under. I consider a fruit under 500 lbs (no offense to other growers, you will get there) for me, a real bad fruit. But the 455 andrews and the 490 Donkers are some really good seeds. The point being the fruit were not in the best conditions or what have you. I know of a seed from a 81 lb AG that grew a 400 lber in a field with no care what so ever. Size means something only to one that doesnt understand the genetics. Size of the fruit is only a novelty to excite. The probability says that the best genetics are sitting in storage somewhere because they never got a chance.
Tom Beachy
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tebeachy@aol.com

11/26/2001 9:25:06 PM

Webster, NY

It's been mentioned on this site many times. Seed is 20%, environment, fertilizer, water, hard work, ect make up the extra 80%. Still, you would have to say, the better genetic's, under the proper conditions should give the better pumpkin, all other things being equal.

11/27/2001 8:11:43 AM

Utah

"size has nothing to do with the genetics" ?
you have got to be kidding.

of course how good is the grower is a huge factor-
but the genetics also play a part....a big part.
try planting jack-be-littles next year- let us know
how you do with them.
the only thing that is different from them and AG's
is the genetics.

have you ever heard of a seed that has a tendacy
to produce pumpkins that split ?
you'd be hard pressed to find someone that doesn't
think that "spliters" come from genetics.

I guess that- you are just assuming that the genetics
are in every AG- and there is some validity to that
point. most AG seed out there have good genetics...
but some do not. but if that was your point then you
need to say that. not that gentics don't matter.
they are there and they do matter-
and to state otherwise is foolishness.

11/27/2001 11:10:53 AM

Indiana

I was merely talking about the AG strain, The AG strain is the only giant strain that has the ability at much over 500 lbs. Do you guys grow a field full of genetics research plants? I do, and you are mistaken. Have you ever tested your idea? If you want to continue the discussion, email me in private. I did leave out that it is possible to get a bad specimin in a genetic cross pollination, but those things are noticable. I dont know every trait about the genetics, but am working on it.
Tom

11/27/2001 2:11:19 PM

Ankeny, Iowa

I have not had anv time to answer until now. I just received my 1062 Rivard and my 1061 pukous. I realy like the genetics for both of them. I hope I have success next year. If anyone is wondering I live in Alabama.

12/9/2001 5:49:30 PM

Ankeny, Iowa

P.s. Thanks for the advice!

12/10/2001 8:43:20 PM