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Indiana

I believe that 846 Calai was given to you if I remember correctly (based on info on a seed list you sent me). If this is true, you should give it back to him. It would be unethical to sell a seed that valueable that was given to you.
Tom Beachy

5/4/2002 9:42:20 PM

Indiana

Sorry, not to bombard the list with this. And I dont like being the bad guy here, but I have a seed list sent to me several months ago by this person which contains 327 seeds on it. I will offer it for everyone to see. I do this because it includes the persons from which most of the seeds came from. You will notice the generosity of a specific grower (Nic Welty) and others. Nic sent those seeds to this person for nothing in return.
Once again sorry to be a jerk, but as you can see i am somewhat irritated.

Tom Beachy

If you want the list, email me at tebeachy@aol.com, and like I said it is not up to date, but it is fairly accurate i am sure. Also feel free to send me hate mail if you wish....... :-)

5/4/2002 10:21:19 PM

porterville, calif.

Tom you are right to do this go get him

5/5/2002 1:14:52 PM

Tom: Besides this, he needs Howard Dill's OK before selling seed, respect alone, beside the law, requires it. And we all should honor it because of the enjoyment we recieve from the sport or hobby. Remember a short time ago, a Dr. bought seed & we seen people asking us to forgive him. We done it but is that going to be the way of the future ??? Bill Van

5/5/2002 4:47:38 PM

Bart

Wallingford,CT

OK pumpkinwizard, here is the best offer your going to get. I'll take the 723Bobier, 846Calai, and the 914Wentzell but no more. Tell me here to send the bubble pack.

5/5/2002 5:43:42 PM

Bart

Wallingford,CT

if you 'twist my arm real hard' I'll let you also give me the 697Ciliberto, 1025Bobier, and the 805Pukos but thats all I will take.

5/5/2002 5:47:22 PM

Pumpkinwizard

Salt Lake City, Utah

What a bunch of hypocrites! Many of these seeds were purchased from many of you. I purchased seeds from many of the top growers in the world to add to my collection. Nothing like a quick look in the mirror. I spent hundreds of dollars to acquire my seeds because I love growing pumpkins.

5/5/2002 5:55:07 PM

pumpkinpiper

Bemidji, MN

You tell them wizard. A seed is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. Steve

5/5/2002 6:17:33 PM

steelydave

Webster, NY

Just make sure you get Howard Dill's permission before selling them. Whether you bought them or they were given to you, they are your's now. What you do with them,(once you have permission) right or wrong, is up to you.

5/5/2002 8:44:47 PM

Indiana

Scott,
How much did you pay for the seeds from Nic Welty??? That is what I want to know. If you dont respond to this something is wrong isnt it..............
Tom Beachy

5/5/2002 9:41:59 PM

Alexsdad

Garden State Pumpkins

Hey pumpkinwizard...If you got seeds that where given to you for free return them to whoever was that generous. If you bought some seed through a charitable auction..Do the same and take the write off...I don't understand how a grower in this sport all of the sudden becomes a collector and wants to cash out..sometimes you just have to do the right thing!

5/5/2002 9:50:54 PM

Nic Welty

That State Up North

Hello all

I usually don't post or get involved because I am very bussy and don't have much time to waste. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and free to express it. So I am sure you all will, but don't make judgements without the facts. If anyone has a reason to be upset it is me, but I give freely and generously in attempts to help further the hobby of giant pumpkin growing. I will not tolerate public insult to Scott. If you have problems with this, you can email me and I will try to get back to you after planting time. We all spend time and money collecting seeds, and we all loose time and money giving away seeds. Just remember that we are here for the fun, and as Howard Dill said pumpkins make people happy, and the bigger the pumpkin the happier the person. And us squash growers have even more fun. So try not to get all bent out of shape over everything and have fun growing and competing with your giants.

Nic Welty

5/6/2002 12:16:21 AM

Pulaski Tn blkcloud@igiles.net

amen

5/6/2002 8:42:58 AM

steelydave

Webster, NY

well said.

5/6/2002 10:28:26 AM

Hey: Nick,gallant try, but what about Howards (Patent)or is
that just nothing. You are a great guy, I agree, but still believe he's the one who really has the say in this matter, you gave them, that's OK, Scott selling them, that's a difference & I'm sure you'll find time before planting to answer this. Just the view from here.

5/6/2002 8:31:16 PM

Pulaski Tn blkcloud@igiles.net

hey guys, you know in almost every seed catalouge that has been sent to me this year is dills a.g. seeds.. its not like you cant pick up the phone anytime you want and order some.. i bet that growing a.g.s has gotten bigger than mr. dill ever thought it would, i wouldnt doubt that theres probably a milloin a.g. seeds out there now..as big as it is the only thing i see the patent is good for is to show who came up with these seeds. what would keep someone from selling pacific giant seeds or georgia giant seeds that will grow to over 1000 lbs?? i cant look at a small ag seeds and tell it from a big max,conn.field or plain ole hog pumpkin..if and when i ever grow a big'un and give some seeds away and somebody wants to sell them, well, more power to em!! i would feel honored that someone wanted to pay for one of my seeds.. but this is my opinion and as always i dont seem to know much either..

5/6/2002 9:51:43 PM

Indiana

Bill,
It is finals week(s) for all of us still in college.
Tom Beachy

5/6/2002 10:12:43 PM

hoppy

berkshire M.A.

Theres no shame in wanting to sell what he has collected ,it takes a fair amount of work to gather all them seeds . It's to bad we are going to loose a giant pumpkin grower and his crosses that he makes ..

5/7/2002 8:17:58 AM

pumpkinpiper

Bemidji, MN

As far as Dill's patent, I was told on agricultural products, the patent is open to all after 15 years has gone by. So his time must be up or very close to it. Steve

5/7/2002 9:07:15 AM

jeff517

Ga.

Better not tell him that Bill!

5/7/2002 10:00:53 AM

Utah

I know that Scott has paid for some of his seeds.
he bought some from my collection at the pumpkin nook
charity auction. I don't think he is trying to rip
anyone off buy collecting seeds and then selling them.
circumstance in his life have changed and he wants
to get rid of his collection and recoop some of his
costs. personally i don't see anything wrong with that.
just my opinion
gordon

5/7/2002 2:10:23 PM

lobsterclaw

French River,P.E.Island, Canada

Applicant: Howard Dill Enterprises, Ltd.
Date filed: 09/09/1985
Status: Certificate Issued
Status date: 05/30/1986
Date issued: 05/30/1986
Years protected: 18
Number of pages: 10

5/7/2002 7:25:50 PM

Tom-Gorden-pumpkinpiper-hoppy & blk cloud; there's you answer in the above post. Irregardless of your opion, at this time,selling pumpkin AG seed without Howards Dill's premission is wrong. I think if you check blk cloud, you will find that these seed people selling them have requested & recieved premission, like anyone should do who has any moral standard. End of subject from here.

5/7/2002 9:06:36 PM

Pulaski Tn blkcloud@igiles.net

poppy,i checked on it about a year ago when we all went through this same thing when there were about 10 seeds that sold on ebay for 1400.00. that really made me mad, not that the guy was selling seeds but that i bid 1399.00 on them and lost the bid by 1.00.!!! also i have tennessee giant pumpkin seeds for sale will grow to over 1000 pounds!! must add corn liquor to the watering system to reach maxium size!!

5/8/2002 9:23:10 AM

Utah

Peppy-

glad to know that we can end the subject now...
I was just waiting for your permission to do so.
... oh yea... one more point... maybe Scott
has asked for permission ?

5/8/2002 10:03:41 AM

KennyB

Farmington, Utah

Hold on to the lashing of Bill. I posted a request for seeds for our first annual Thanksgiving Point Pumpkin Growing Seminar in Utah. If Scott was in it for the fun of growing pumpkins, and one of the fun things is to help others, why did I not here from him???? I donated many of my own personal seeds, including: 845 Bobier '00, 1064.5 Needham, 1167 Handy, 1025 Bobier, 940 Mombert '00 and others. I gave my friend an 805 Pukos who had been sick this past year and was in need of a good seed. My stock of good proven seeds is down to 2 seeds. I emailed Scott asking him if he would let me get some seeds to replace what I am out of, and to reimburse him for his costs on getting those seeds. I never heard from him.
Bill, on the other hand and others, were very generous in helping with seeds for our seminar.
PLEASE,DON'T TELL ME AND OTHERS YOU WERE IN IT FOR FUN. YOU WERE IN IT FOR YOURSELF.
I offered Scott some of my property to grow pumpkins. I have not even had the courtesy of a response from him on getting seeds or the use of my property. No help with our own local growing seminar or anything. WHAT A GUY, HUH!!

Kenny Blair

5/8/2002 11:34:52 AM

ontario

all I can say is WOW where have we gotten to ????????................wayne

5/10/2002 8:03:30 PM

pumpkinpie

New Hampshire

perhaps instead of being critical of pumpkin wizard and jumping to conclusions that best offer ment he was selling his seeds, you should have thought before you accused someone of SELLING seeds. I emailed him for a request of his seeds and yes I was willing to PAY for them. I have been searching for the 846 calai the 723 bobier the 888 mombert and the 914 wentzell. I OFFERED TO PAY!!!!! In fact I offered to outbid. Maybe if you short tempered so called do gooders would have just emailed him instead of giving him so much crap he would have given you the seeds like he did me!!!! Yes I said GAVE me the seeds! Because I responed nicely. See guys it is not as cut throat as you assumed some of you just jumped to the wrong conclusion...maybe because you would have sold them for profit you assumed someone else would be to. And we all know the saying about assuming. I quess it holds true! Thanks for the seeds Scott!

5/11/2002 10:22:18 PM

Stan

Puyallup, WA

Shame on you pumpkin growers! You have been bad boys! Bad, bad, bad.....Now, go sit in the corner and behave yourselves!

5/11/2002 10:40:34 PM

KennyB

Farmington, Utah

Scott emiled me and I commend him and wish him the best in his adventures. Hopefully one day he will again start growing pumpkins again. If he does I will be the first to try to help him. Thanks for getting back to me Scott and the best of luck to you.

Kenny

5/12/2002 1:12:24 AM

hoppy

berkshire M.A.

yes, Scott thank you very much for the seeds .If you ever need seeds later on ,just e-mail me. Thank god you did not throw the seeds away !! All's I can say is THANK YOU SCOTT and if i nail a biggen with one of them seeds ,i will let everyone know "scott made it happen for me"

5/12/2002 6:54:24 AM

Alexsdad

Garden State Pumpkins

To err is Human...To Forgive Devine...I think Pumpkinwizard in the end made the right choice and all of you I commend for being big enough to accept his explanation and resume your friedship. Thanks for letting us all know!

5/12/2002 10:24:54 AM

porterville, calif.

After reading all of the replies about this . I will state what i understood when I read what Scott first said at the begiining of all this. I believe he stated that he was quiting growing the AG,s due to a move he made. He stated that all of his seed was anyones for a price. I would have to asumme he wanted to sell them. Then Tom just asked him what he was going to do with the seed that was given to him.Seems like a reasonable request to me. Then one of the growers replied he didn,t care what Scott did with the seed that he gave or sent him. Then another grower , I believe pumpkinpie blast all of those who wanted to know what his plans were. Then he sent Her , I believe some seeds for free. As i see it the seed was his, but any seed that any of you sent to me if i couldn,t use it all I gave some to freinds, donated some to a auction. But i didn,t even think about selling them. That is just the way i am. Seed will only stay viable for so long. I had at one time about 80 seeds from about 10 different growers. I thought i was being greedy in hanging on to what i couldn,t use. I would hate for something that i might have not be used , but just kept in a collection so i can say yes i have that seed or that growers seed. What good is it if it just sets and doesn,t get planted? Scott had a collection of over 300. I can see that he would want to recoup some of his money for what he bought. But the way he worded his first thread here it sounded like he wanted to make a profit from someone elses kindness. It looks like to me he did have a change of heart and did give away some of the seed. The worst thing he could of done was to throw it all away, thank goodness he didn,t. Almost everyone here that comes here to learn more about AGs, and want to grow them are really good people. I think we all just want to be fair to all that has come here to learn and share their experiances at this endever. I hope that Scott one day can have the place and time to grow them again.

5/13/2002 2:31:04 AM

porterville, calif.

This is my first year at growing AGs, Maybe i Am wrong in saying anything about this. but wanted to express my feelings about this, and to thank all of you that had sent me seed and offered advise. Greg C

5/13/2002 2:35:53 AM

pumpkinpie

New Hampshire

When someone wants to sell seeds to recoup losses or for whatever reason they have everyone jumps on the band wagon and says how wrong it is. If a pumpkin club "non profit orginization" decides to auction off a seed, and lets face it I know several people who have paid hundreds of $'s on seeds through these "auctions" then its ok, or at least no one gets a irritated. If Scott wants to sell his seeds or give them away, the bottom line is its none of anyones business. Just because someone found a way around the word selling and now calls it an auction money is still involved it still SELLING a seed. I wasnt blasting the people who were asking questions I was simply pointing out that you should assume someone is doing wrong afterall it really is just oppinions. It just seems like people need to be in everyone elses business. Were all trying to do the same thing. Enjoy pumpkin growing people have made money off worse things then selling pumpkin seeds for crying out loud.

5/13/2002 7:51:43 AM

porterville, calif.

Pumpkinpie, I respect your point of view about this. And i do agree to some point. I guess we could go on forever about this. But i feel it is time to move on. Good Luck this year, lets go out and have some fun with our AGs...Greg

5/13/2002 11:42:15 AM

pumpkinpie

New Hampshire

I agree! GOOD LUCK to all of you. I planted 2 seeds this year from our own seed stock, the Moul 449 and the Moul 723 which came from the 449 last year. My 7 year old daughter is growing the Kuhn 855. She won the Hillsboro county fair Jr. division last year with a 448 lb. pumpkin. I was so proud!!! My husband planted the Pukos 805 and the Kuhn 712 this year. If anyone has the Calai 846 I am still looking for that seed! Also I am interested in knowing more about this red pumpkin I saw. Does anyone have a seed that will produce one?? If so I would be interested in that one! Thanks agian to Scott and Good Luck to the rest of you!

5/13/2002 2:58:21 PM

Pumpkinpie _ I disagree, if someone wishes to buy seed from a charity or auction that has Howard Dill's premission to sell them, that's all right! Just because I was willing enought to pay extreme prices (for whatever reasons) does not give me the right to expect to recoop my losses because I have changed my mind unless Howard Dill gives me premission to do so. That is the bottom line, Scott has crossed that line & now is doing what is right, I agree & if he wishes to grow again, I'll be the first to give him seed at no cost except postage, but let's not forget his first post. And YES it's my business, I have had four years & fifth coming up of complete enjoyment without infringing on the legal rights of others.To top that off, I would have given Scott any seed in my collection fot his 723 had I the chance. So I am not against him deposing of his seed, just don't believe he has the right to sell them, but then again I could be wrong ? Has Howard given him premission ???? I know BkCloud that sale on E-Bay you missed by $1 didn't have it. I checked with Howard on that.

5/13/2002 7:32:45 PM

Utah

Bill sent me a private email on monday- which i just
read today- telling me the lines were open for discussion
so here is my reply:

Bill,
i agree with what you say 100 %
the law is the law and it should be obeyed.
and Scott, and the rest of us, should follow it.
it's the right thing to do.
and if he wanted to sell his seeds he should have gotten permission to do so, before hand.

you're right just because people pay for them at
an auction or something doesn't mean that they
can turn around and sell them.
but i can see how it would be very tempting,
especially after the Shymanski sale. some
see it black and white others see it more grey
still others don't see anything wrong with it.
I speed home - 10 mph over the speed limit down
the freeway everyday. is it against the law.
yes- do i feel bad about it - no. everybody does
it right? some things are easier to rationalize
than others. when i first read scotts post that's
what i did.

if I ever wanted to get rid of all my seeds i'd
just give them away. but I haven't paid anything
for any of them, anyway. Well except $10 U.S. for
some Al Eaton seeds in 2000. If you ask AL he gives
away his seeds and sells pictures of them and asks for
a shipping and handling fee. 100 sets of seeds for $10
each goes a long ways toward patch upkeep. so does he
sell his seeds ? if you asked me... i say yes. I didn't see any complaining about what AL was doing. (and I don't know if he still does it or not)
So could Scott sell a photograph to the highest bidder and who ever bids highest just happens to get his seed collection too ? wink wink ...
Maybe it would be legal - but it wouldn't be the
right thing to do.
Thanks for reminding us of the law.

gordon

ps- next time you talk to Howard Dill tell him thanks
from me for developing the DILLS AG varity of pumpkin.
Than I ( and a lot of others) get a lot of enjoyment
out of growing them, thanks to his hard development work.

5/15/2002 10:45:16 AM

LIpumpkin

Long Island,New York

There is no PVP for these things in Canada...its legal to sell there as I understand it......g

5/15/2002 3:29:43 PM

PumpkinBrat

Paradise Mountain, New York

EVERYONE SHOULD OF WROTE TO PUMPKINWIZARD BEFORE THEY SAID ANYTHING IN HERE. I E-MAIL PUMPKINWIZARD AND TOLD HIM I WANTED HIS SEEDS. i TOLD HIM I WAS KINDA NEW AND DIDN'T HAVE MANY GREAT SEEDS. hE SENT ME A E-MAIL BACK. ALL HE ASKED FOR WAS A SASA BUBBLER. HE SENT ME 20 OF HIS TOP SEEDS FREE. I MEAN FREE. ALL I HAD TO DO WAS PUT POSTAGE STAMP ON THE INSIDE BUBBLER AND TAKE IT TO THE POST OFFICE FOR ALL THE RIGHT POSTAGE. IN THE END, IT PAID FOR ME TO BE NICE TO GET SEEDS LIKE 723 BOBIER, 846 CALAI, AND MANY MORE

5/15/2002 3:54:23 PM

Utah

brat...

congratulations... it does pay to be nice...
but sometimes it's not as fun.
who wants those top seeds anyway... everyone is planting
them this year. you'd just be another faceless grower
in the patch right ?

g... thanks for the info...
so if you sell your seeds on a Canadian web site would
that be OK ?
gordon...
man ! why didn't i think of that ~!~! :)

5/15/2002 4:06:17 PM