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Appalachian Mtns.

Any chance I can find this seed?

11/19/2002 5:09:13 PM

Choctaw, OK

probably not..

11/19/2002 8:53:26 PM

Puyallup, WA

I'm curious, Kyle. Why do you NEED this seed?

11/19/2002 9:36:41 PM

Deer Park WA

Stan,

He probably wants to up his chances, but I think with their climate he would be better off with my 410 from 00, no disrespect intended Kyle it's just that the 410 plant likes the heat, never wilted on 100 degree days, and throws big orange pumpkins. It is listed on this sites free seed list.

11/19/2002 9:40:58 PM

Ga.

gads,,whats the cross of the 410?

11/19/2002 9:49:45 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Well, I have a couple of seeds (which many of you out there have so kindly and graciously given me to get started on my quest) that would, in my opinion, be excellent matches.
Oh, I live in the Appalachian Mountains which are not too hot in the day, nice and cool at night.

11/19/2002 10:03:00 PM

Puyallup, WA

Kyle,
I do not mean to be offensive, but it has been my experience with first year growers that they make so many mistakes their first year that it really doesn't matter what seed they grow that first year!
Lincoln Mettler gave me a 865 and a 974 to grow my first two years. My patch was a disaster of criss-crossed vines and incorrect watering techniques. It was a miracle that I managed to grow a single pumpkin! It was enough to get me hooked on AG's......and the rest is history!

11/19/2002 11:26:34 PM

Western Pa.

Stelts 801.5# (selfed). (The next best thing!) Coming soon (for mailing costs), to a BigPumpkins.com near you!

kilr

11/20/2002 12:41:44 AM

Connecticut

Stan
This will be my first year growing also and When I mentioned in the chat room that I would be happy with a 4-500 lbs'er everybody in there asked me why I'm shooting so low and also informed me that a first time grower this year grew a 1100 lbs'er plus this year. so it does happen. no matter how hap hazerdly us Newbies go at it. LOL

11/20/2002 12:47:58 AM

Caceres, Spain

Just the same as to Stan happened to me, at least I didn't used good seeds (because there weren't any one in Spain, and I didn't know Internet or good growers). But... I've been in your BEAUTIFUL mountains, in the Great Smokies in 1995 summer, and, of course it was cooler than in Durham NC, but it still was very very hot, muuuuuuuuuuuuch hotter than Spain. We had to walk to the top of the Smokies to get some cool, and nights were warm indeed, as well.
Don

11/20/2002 12:50:40 AM

Roanoke Il

Stan made a very good point alot of new growers have the wrong ideaa that it is all in the seed,the seed is only about 20%of the whole picture. Yes if you gave been a good garden or master gardener and you have read how to grow one and two and you know a heavy hitter or read all you can find on how to grow ag's. Yes there is a chance that a new grower could even grow a world record that is what makes this sport so fun.
But most grower that have grown for a few year will tell that they are still learning. mark

11/20/2002 5:12:33 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

Stan,
I'm not a first year grower, next year will be my fourth. I have previously grown a (estimated) 550 and 620, both went down from splits. I have made many mistakes and believe I've learned enough to successfully compete (hopefully) next year. I have grown fron Dill stock up until now and I have spent the last 2 years quietly studying and listening to others regarding genetics and matches. I think I've found some "sleeper" seed that could take off with the right matches, that's all. As far as rookie mistakes, been there, haven't done ALL that, but ready to move on to another level. THAT'S why I am looking for the 801.5 Stelts.
Kyle

11/20/2002 6:21:31 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

And as the old saying goes, "I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut".

11/20/2002 7:34:01 AM

Utah

kyle good luck in your search... if i had one i'd give it to you.

11/20/2002 8:20:12 AM

Utah

Stan-
sorry you didn't have the year you'd like to have had. but i don't understand your why you have been so negative in your comments on BP lately. what can i(we) do to help ?
gordon

11/20/2002 8:22:25 AM

Southern Illinois

hello mountain man,i have some self seed,and some seed from clone 801.5 stelts,if you would want one, if you do not find the real thing,all i want in return would be 25 seed from any cross you may get from using the 801.5,then i can also send some of the seed to the person that gave me the seed,we could all benefit from your cross,and if you want you can always drive up and i could give you a few male flowers from the origianal 801.5 stelts,if your interested e mail me with your addy so i can send you one.

11/20/2002 8:35:06 AM

ontario

Kyle I have managed a 934 but I am stilling learning big time....my advise don't waste a top notch seed....try some others that have great potentional first.....get your method down pat for your area....when you start improving go for it.........wayne

11/20/2002 9:18:42 AM

Southern Illinois

i think ken and john should open a chat line for some pumpkin growers that may be going threw a hard time,pumpkin with drawls are what ever problem they may have,i would like to find out more about what kyle is planing on what he has in mind for his cross,with all the negative responce he may never ask for help from us again,he just ask for a seed not a lecture about if he has enough experiance to grow it.

11/20/2002 10:25:03 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

Here's a hint but not my only option for crosses....
What seed has the 801.5 as the mom, should be easy.
I don't worry about criticism and welcome constructive suggestions.
You guys might be surprised what may come out of Tennessee before too long.

11/20/2002 10:38:54 AM

Garden State Pumpkins

Like that attitude! You go Kyle...Whatever keeps ya positive and juices flowing! Grow em Big...Chuck

11/20/2002 11:08:50 AM

Southern Illinois

801.5 stelts rose 562.5 x 825.5 shymanski,--869.5 cali 801.5 x 846 cali,---765 nesbitt 801.5 x 946.5 geertz,---641 walters 801.5 x 657 holland,---634 kilbert 801.5 x 846,what else is there,have no idea.

11/20/2002 11:27:18 AM

canal winchester ohio

Kyle I got the following info from the AGGC & should help you find a seed with a LOT of 801.5 in it.
I'll use the 1105 Stucker as a example, The female of the 1105 was the 846 Calai which had the 801.5 as a female.
The Calai 846 which produced the 1105 was crossed with the 801.5,
So the 1105 has the 801.5 on the male side 1 generation back & the 801.5 on the female side 2 generations back.
Other seeds with this same basic 801.5 crossback are
1053.5 Stelts
884 Calai
869.5 Calai
681 Hester
I hope this helps a little............Paul

11/20/2002 11:34:42 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

No, haven't got it yet. Also have another option where 801.5 is back 2 generations on the mother's side and 1 generation on the father's side. Still more options out there!
C'mon ya'll.

11/20/2002 11:36:03 AM

canal winchester ohio

Mike Nepereny put another query on for me yesterday ( crossback II ) on this one the pollinator of the seed being grown is the same as the pollinator of this years cross. And 1 seed that has the 801.5 in this manner is the Kilbert 440........

11/20/2002 12:09:34 PM

Southern Illinois

1020 kuhn 846 x 801.5,---845 kuhn 801 ciliberto x 801.5,---565 stelts 825.5 shymanski x 801.5,the 562.5 rose x 825 shymanski produced the 801.5 stelts,these are all male 801.5 but the 565 may be a good seed has any one grew the 565 stelts ,i have a few of them.

11/20/2002 12:50:06 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

My big mistake. 801.5 back 3 generations on the father's side and back 2 generation on the mother. I apologize for getting myself reversed and confused. Still learning!

11/20/2002 12:55:40 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

I apologize again. I didn't mean to have someone waste their time looking for naught.

11/20/2002 1:14:46 PM

canal winchester ohio

As far as I am concerned you didn't waste my time. If I didn't want to look it up I wouldn't have :)
And that's the bottom line 'cause Huffs pumpkins says so.

11/20/2002 1:20:41 PM

Kentucky - USA

Kyle..It looks like some of us more southern boys are gonna half to show these guys that a large pumpkin can come from the South next year. hehe

Actually they have been alot of big pumpkins growned in the South. They just aren't publicsize as much as the ones growned in the north.

Goodluck..

Tim

11/20/2002 1:27:47 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

You got that right Tim. Appalachian mountain dirt is gooood stuff.
By the way, has anyone from the South ever grown a 1000 lb. pumpkin? Is there a Southeastern record?

11/20/2002 1:36:34 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

I can't believe all this started because I asked if there might be a 801.5 Stelts out there.
You guys are a hoot:)

11/20/2002 1:38:20 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Soooo, anyone got it yet? 3 generations back on the father, 2 on mom?

11/20/2002 2:05:09 PM

Choctaw, OK

kyle..findig an 801 is hard. best bet is to find a good selfed or sibbed 801 or a clone....

case

11/20/2002 2:29:13 PM

canal winchester ohio

Here is the opposite Kyle......981 Wilson 2002, 3 generations back on father, 2 generations back on mother......Paul

11/20/2002 3:13:03 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Maybe I'm not explaining myself right, probably my fault BUT, I am thinking the 525 Brock.

11/20/2002 3:26:22 PM

canal winchester ohio

I didn't know I was taking a test, I thought you were asking for help....

11/20/2002 3:31:59 PM

canal winchester ohio

my bad..

11/20/2002 3:33:14 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Sorry Huff, misunderstanding. Heavyhitter got into my hint about 15 messages ago, I thought you had game.
This has been an interesting educational message board topic for me, quite fun. I found a clone.
I'm looking for another seed too. I'll post it and see where that topic takes me.
Been a blast.

11/20/2002 5:08:16 PM

canal winchester ohio

I thought you had game.
???????????

11/20/2002 5:27:26 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

I guess I am a rookie. My wife thinks I'm nuts over pumpkins but I just act like I am.

11/20/2002 5:31:28 PM

canal winchester ohio

No problem, my therapist thinks I'm nuts to.......
On the plus side it gets me some good meds :)

11/20/2002 5:33:26 PM

Key West, FL

wow, this board has gone from 5 responses to 40 something over night. all is this 3 fathere back or second mother stuff has my brain ready to explode.lol

11/20/2002 5:43:06 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Yea, and it's been GREAT!

11/20/2002 6:08:00 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

By the way.....a 801.5 would match up nicely with a 774 Mombert.

11/20/2002 6:31:21 PM

South Hill, Virginia

Back to your question way up there.....no Southeastern 1000 pounder that I know of yet. The records listed from what I would call the south east on http://www.backyardgardener.com/record.html are as follows:

VA: 823
NC: 856
SC: None
FL: 610
TN: 716
MS: None
AL: 401.5
AR: None

So I guess we are still waiting for our first 900 lber. I'll go ahead and make a prediction now. The GA record will fall in 2003 and so will the VA record. Though some might dispute the new VA record because any true southern knows that VA starts at Richmond and the place they call "Herndon, VA" is really part of MD or maybe DC:)

11/20/2002 9:10:24 PM

South Hill, Virginia

Oops...left off the GA record I was referring to. It's 615.

11/20/2002 9:14:06 PM

Southern Illinois

i predict there will be a fruit grown over 800 lb in souther il.

11/20/2002 9:35:39 PM

Ga.

Thanks for a prediction Brent,,LOL...Hope its me!!.

11/20/2002 9:45:53 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

I believe the listed Tennessee record is 716 Jim Asberry, Allardt, TN.
I aspire to shatter that.

11/20/2002 10:24:43 PM

Mountain City, TN

hello, since this is a seed search site does anyone have any extra flower seeds, surely you have left your wifes,ect. some room to grow flowers, I'm looking for various poppy seeds ie. chinese poppies, multicolor. Oh, by the way has anyone found my husband an 801.5 , he is spending way to much time on here!

11/20/2002 11:27:02 PM

Puyallup, WA

You can beat that, Kyle!!

11/20/2002 11:29:16 PM

Puyallup, WA

Oh Oh....you're in big trouble now, Kyle!!

11/20/2002 11:30:57 PM

Deer Park WA

mountiangirl,

I have a few beautiful multi colored Calendula seeds from my wifes garden I will give you, as well as a few of my very best pumpkin seeds from my humble 651. email me if interested...

Gerry Gadberry

11/20/2002 11:33:38 PM

Deer Park WA

Kyle, I think I just sent you some seeds from my 608 yesterday! Your girlfriend is going to beat you for not asking for flower seeds too....

11/20/2002 11:36:15 PM

Mountain City, TN

Easy Stan, easy. I'm not that much of a rookie.
Really, she's a sweet girl.

11/20/2002 11:41:50 PM

Covington, WA

594 Hicks 01 is 801.5 Stelts selfed and if you write Marv a nice letter or email I'll bet he would send you some. I think all the 801's that haven't been planted yet are being jelously guarded by those who have them waiting for the perfect summer. I haven't seen any of it's offspring that weren't beautiful specimens.

11/21/2002 12:12:50 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

Thank you all, you've been very helpful.
I have found a 801.5 x self and clone. And GADS is even giving my wife flower seed! This is overall a very kind and generous group of people.
Good luck to everyone in 2003.

11/21/2002 7:47:19 AM

berkshire M.A.

would a 760 Patrick (801.5 x 801.5 ) crossed by it self help you out

11/21/2002 8:53:37 AM

Long Island,New York

Heavyhitter...you'll have to do better than a measy 800lbs ( ha-ha...this talk from a 5 year grower with a PB of 617...lol) to rank number one in Illinois.....Hiedi Edwards grew a 823 lb squash a few years ago.....from the 565Andrews99* seed. You can do it...........G

11/21/2002 5:16:09 PM

Herndon, VA

Brent- You may not be too far from the truth. My patch is actually closer to MD than it is to my house! I can't wait to see pictures of your deck collapsing when you and 15 neighbors attempt to use it as a loading dock for your 1102 Richey 2003. LOL!

11/21/2002 5:22:47 PM

Southern Illinois

hello long island,i have the squash record coverd,862.5 hester,852 mettler,474,532 welty,hopefully one of those will cover the squash record,i have no doubt that next year i will take care of both records,pumpkin and squash.

11/21/2002 6:09:50 PM

Southern Illinois

hello long island,i have the squash record coverd,862.5 hester,852 mettler,474,532 welty,hopefully one of those will cover the squash record,i have no doubt that next year i will take care of both records,pumpkin and squash.

11/21/2002 6:09:57 PM

Key West, FL

hey did you steal my seeds? ;) those are the same squash seeds i have pretty much, the 862.5 throws orange though HH

11/21/2002 6:26:38 PM

Southern Illinois

862.5 hester 99 lyons 900.8 x 469 hester giant squash, 2nd in world 99,5th all time weighed 12.73%heavy solid green color/nice shape,i hope it it does not throw orange,494 neuville squash 744 welty x 943.5 McCULLUM,CASEY SENT ME AROUND 10 SEED THAT SHOULD HELP ME TOWARD THE RECORD.

11/21/2002 7:00:56 PM

Key West, FL

HH, look at the 862.5 offspring, pumpkins, big ones

11/21/2002 7:23:36 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Hey HH, I was thinking of using Casey's 494 too. Or how about a 411 Inzero x sib?
Will this message thread ever end? It's turned into something. I don't know what, but something.
I still want an original 801.5, if anyone cares.

11/21/2002 9:41:20 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

TRIVIA.....What is the longest "seed request with replies" thread on the Seed Exchange board, all archives?
This thing is getting way out of hand..........

11/21/2002 9:50:59 PM

Choctaw, OK

i think my 494* would grow better in a cooler climate, as would most squash seeds (do) it seems.....

HH....watch out for that 400 est seed i sent....i think it may surprise you if you try it. The 572.5 should throw you very white fruit...(small chance it might throw a greenie, who knows? if it does, SELF IT!!!) i wouldnt expect it to tho. what you going to cross into my 494's??? be interested in knowing your plans...

case

11/21/2002 10:02:21 PM

Choctaw, OK

HH...the 963* needham might be a good one to try....otherwise, try a 990 hebb...50/50 shot at green...good seed either way.

11/21/2002 10:07:22 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Is it over?

11/22/2002 1:57:25 PM

South Hill, Virginia

it might be kyle. why don't you start a new one named "looking for a 935 Lloyd". That should get them going again:)

11/22/2002 3:02:49 PM