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Wroclaw, Poland (51 N, 17 E)

Looking for these seeds. contact: homar18@poczta.onet.pl

9/10/2003 6:37:29 PM

Syracuse, NY

HAAAAAHHH????
maybe you know something we don't?

9/10/2003 6:51:49 PM

Caceres, mid west of Spain

hehehehe

9/11/2003 1:58:26 AM

I think it should read 1458 Whittier

9/11/2003 5:25:43 AM

Itzetown City

1584 or 1458 doesn´t matter, anyway what do ya think, what one seed of that whopper will take?

9/11/2003 8:48:24 AM

Hi Werner,
I think the 1458 will be a highly sought after seed this winter. It would of course be nice to have one of them but it is even better if you have the 582 Hester seed.
Most newer growers look for seeds form the heaviest pumpkins but there is no guarantee that these seeds will produce anything comparably large. In fact there are only very few seeds (e.g. 1026 Holland) out of the many 1000 pounders that have done well so far.
You should always look for the seed that produced the 1000 pounder.
Best wishes,
Martin

9/11/2003 9:10:27 AM

Belgium

Martin
why do you think +1000lbs seeds are not as good? Is it maybe because the seeds have an inferior quality due to all the fertilizers, hormones, etc they have gotten to push the pumpkin?

Anyone that can help me with good seeds pls email me. Thank u very much
jurgen

9/11/2003 10:22:29 AM

Syracuse, NY

another good example of a seed from a biggie that is growing big and/or exceeding the parent's weight is the 950.4 Boyton....apparently it doesn't matter the size of the fruit the seed came out of! i know this, and i want you to as well. also, i don't think the treatment of the plant or the pumpkin affects the outcome of the following year's
planting of the seed's results. only something like genetically-altering mutative.....well, i guess there COULD
be some things other than a nuclear blast that could alter the genes of a plant/seed, but i think it would be far-fetched to think that any regular fertilizer applied to great extremes and fish fertilizer and liquid seaweed, etc., would have any effect on the seeds, other than their plumpness. Mr. Reiss doesn't think the 1000-plus seeds are
not capable of producing large fruit, but if you want to grow a large pumpkin, plant a seed with a PROVEN track record of having produced pumpkins over 1,000 pounds, regardless of its parent weight (582=1458-pounder!)

however, yes, i want a 1458 Whittier! but....

the seed from ANY pumpkin is now in need of creating
its OWN track record....the allure of a seed from a giant
is that it is just that---from a GIANT! but that seed had to be TRIED at one time and tried by many to bring out its
true potential. so look at a seed's track record before selecting what you'll grow, or better yet, take a chance on one that NEEDS to be proven>>>>a 'smaller' seed! 'pal

9/12/2003 12:47:01 PM

pal,
You are absolutely right. This is exactly what I meant.
Martin

9/12/2003 3:45:30 PM

Belgium

I think a pumpkin is like a bodybuilder. When you give it to much hormones the fertility of the seeds decreases a lot :-). eg When you have two exactly the same plants and the pumpkins pollinated with another exactly the same plant. One plant you give the normal amount of fertilizers and the other plant you over fertilize and give to much hormones. Lets say that the first plant produces an 800lbs pumpkin and the second a 1200lbs. I would choose the 800lbs seeds. I think that the seeds of that 800lbs pumpkin will be more fertile than the seeds of the 1200lbs. That has nothing to do with a change in genetics, but more with a deformation of the seeds due to overfertilization. That does not mean that the 1200lbs pumpkin can not produce large pumpkins, all i say is that the chance on deformation increases and results in fewer large offspring. And that is the reason why i think not many +1000lbs pumpkin seeds have produced large pumpkins in the past.
I can be wrong but that is what i think

9/14/2003 5:08:56 AM

Wroclaw, Poland (51 N, 17 E)

So, you say that: more fertilizers - worse seeds, less fertilizers better seeds. If it is true I'll have the best seeds in the world! I don't use any fertilizers or hormones. LOL

9/14/2003 5:47:10 AM

Itzetown City

Hey Jurgen, consider a bodybuilder does´t produce embryos like a pumpkin seed is one. Comparable with a pumpkin he produce pollen. In my opinion, producing seed with illness genetics is more a problem of inbreed than of fertilizing. May be fertilizing can be affect the fertile of pollen so you have no fruitset.

Any experts here?

9/14/2003 7:02:49 AM