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Appalachian Mtns.

I now only trade with folks I know, and as soon as a seed comes thru my door, I immediately write on the seed package where that seed came from, when, what I traded to get it, and log it in my seed trading book.
So whoever out there that may read this and know what I'm talking about, and what you did...I will eventually remember, or find some written proof (I have a paper floating around I used back then to semi-jot down "hot" seed trades), of who you are. What goes around, comes around, and your time is slowly coming around.
To those of you on this site...don't be nieve, don't be blindly trusting, and document *every* swap or trade that you do. Distrust everyone until proven trustworthy.
So sad to have to say these things, so damn depressing.

PS...If anyone will trade me an 842 Eaton, I'll gladly trade good seed for it.

11/19/2004 6:22:52 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

BTW...The person I *think* I got the 810 from is very reputable, a friend, and I trust them completely. Just goes to show you that you should still ask for authentication of a seed, where they got it from, etc., even if trading with a friend. Feelings don't matter with issues like this. Once it's traded, that's it, no turning back. Even your best buddy can unknowingly, and unwillingly, pass along a fake to you.
Always get the history of a seed or don't get it if there are gaps, unknowns....

11/19/2004 6:37:40 AM

Southeast

The more trading you do the more likely you are to acquire a fake seed that has changed hands many times. Not inteneded to downgrade any traders just a fact. I have recieved three fake seeds that I can document over the years. Basically I only trade with growers( who grew the seed) now to insure the authenticity of a seed

11/19/2004 7:18:47 AM

Long Island,New York

Amen Dave

11/19/2004 8:59:23 AM

New England

I can understand why you believe you should only trade "proven" seeds with "proven" growers/traders. But don't lose sight of the fact that MOST growers really ARE trustworthy & honorable people. Personally, I don't have "premier" seeds to trade...but if I did, I would just accept that sooner or later I'd inadvertantly deal with someone who wasn't cool...just like we all do sooner or later in every other sector of our daily lives. Don't spoil the fun for people just getting into AG growing by giving the impression that the exception is the rule. Cynicism is like a disease...it can spread rapidly.

11/19/2004 9:26:29 AM

canal winchester ohio

I've had 1 trade gone bad. When it happened I spent about 3 months trying to figure out what happened ( quitely & private). After everything was sorted out I sent a e-mail to a few folks I consider friends just to give them the heads up for the future ( again private).
Then I moved on & put it behind me. What I'm getting at is make damn sure you have the facts completly straight if you are going to post them public. Because if not you won't only ruin the image of the person you are attacking , but you will ruin yours as well.
I know in a few occassions money may be involved, but when you sort thru all the smoke there is one thing that stands out.
IT'S ONLY A SEED!!!......Life goes on folks...........Paul

11/19/2004 2:29:56 PM

canal winchester ohio

And here's a novel idea, Help each other out. When I see someone is having a hard time getting a seed & I have it & it is not figuring into my near future plans I GIVE it to the person who needs it.
Folks know I do this even though this is the first time I posted it public & you know what ????
When I'm trying to find a seed that I really want to grow 3/4 of the time I have someone e-mail me & tell me I can have it.
Do you see where I'm going folks ???

11/19/2004 2:34:49 PM

New England

Huffs speaks wisely! Cool to see a semblance of The Golden Rule is still alive & well at BP.com.

11/19/2004 3:02:54 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Please see my post on the first "Trading Dangers" thread. It was NOT Ice-Man, nor do I think it was...never have, never will. Eddy and I are friends, we have traded together many times, and if I thought it came from him I would have contacted him directly a long time ago and this thread would've never been posted..and I've had ALOT of time to think about things since I learned of it and subsequently posted about it.
Heck, Eddy has *given* me an 845 Bobier '00, so I know, and knew then, and will never believe that, it was him or came from him, or that he had anything to do with it.
I'm certain I got it from someone else on this site, although I have no written record and am going by memory alone. I'm sure I know who it was, but unless I know for sure, I will never name a name and I wouldn't do that publicly anyway.
I posted this as simply a FYI post, heads up, etc. Not to accuse anyone in particular, attack anyone, or "spoil the fun" for folks YoMamma.

11/20/2004 6:53:24 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

Yo Mammy or whatever "artist" you think you are.....I left you a message on the CT Auction/ass board, you should pay attention.
Just how do know about "most growers" and that they "really are honorable and trustworthy"? Just what growers do you know? You seem to have the answers for evrything on this board but I don't seem to recall you being here until just recently. So, that tells me you don't know pumpkins, haven't grown anything, or anything worth talking about, don't know any of these people that you seem to freely give your opinion to, and in general just don't have a clue about AG's or the intricacies of the AG community or the folks that have been involved with AG's for quite awhile.
I'd just like to know how you're qualified to know about other growers or make derogatory, or "advisory", comments to others that have been around, been around here at BP.com, and are experienced giant pumpkin growers????

11/20/2004 7:25:06 AM

Ontario

David brings up a good point. I too was burned by a trade. Since then I have only traded with growers who grew the seed or growers I trust who received the seed directly from the grower. At anytime there was a third party involved I would not make the trade. I have pissed off a few people for not trading with them but its an unfortunate part of the sport. Thats why I never trade with growers who are active traders on this site. Too much of a risk, I grow only two plants a year and to grow a fake is a disaster for me.

drew

11/20/2004 8:00:26 AM

New England

SOUTHERN: "Most growers" means most growers....and MOST growers aren't AG growers. I've been growing vegetables for over 20 years...met a lot of good folks from local farms, horticultural societies, garden clubs, seed companies I've patronized over the years, friends, etc. And they are mostly honorable & trustworthy. Maybe what you are saying is that I shouldn't generalize the same about the AG COMMUNITY...is that what you are saying???
One thing I have found out in life is that PEOPLE WHO DON'T TRUST OTHERS GENERALLY CAN'T BE TRUSTED THEMSELF. As for me Southern, I will go on with my naive belief that most growers in general are cool.

11/22/2004 9:09:28 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

Hmmm..."PEOPLE WHO DON'T TRUST OTHERS GENERALLY CAN'T BE TRUSTED THEMSELF"
Does that mean we should all be completely trusting and vulnerable as a prerequisite for others to trust us? That makes sense...please explain that logic as I just don't get the sensability in that statement.
Oh, OK...well then let's convince the Dept. of Homeland Security to be more trusting so other countries will trust us more?
Is that a good example of what you mean?

11/22/2004 4:15:36 PM

New England

"PEOPLE WHO DON'T TRUST OTHERS GENERALLY CAN'T BE TRUSTED" means that if you don't trust anybody it's often because you attribute the same qualities to others that you yourself possess. You think that because you would screw a stranger that therefore most strangers would screw you.
Oh, and giving a grower the benefit of the doubt on a seed trade is not the same as compromising the national security (except maybe in your mind because you take it as seriously.) So, to answer your question: No, your example is a poor analogy....unless of course, The Department of Homeland Security begins policing seed trades as a matter of protecting the national security.

11/22/2004 4:57:01 PM

Ontario

Here we go again. You guys are ruining this site

drew

11/22/2004 5:55:45 PM

Hayes, Virginia

Is It Spring YET???

11/22/2004 6:34:54 PM

Greencastle, PA

the last weigh-offs were less than a month ago.... if people just can't post on a messege board with a sense of decency they should probably avoid posting. I'm not going tot ry to further this by naming names and taking sides, all i want to say is that if you get pissed off go work it off in your patch so you can impress everyone with your giant in 2005.
Tom

11/22/2004 6:59:24 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

You're right Drew, I apologize.

11/22/2004 7:42:39 PM

New England

Yeah well....OK, I apologize too. I'll try to go along with the program.

11/23/2004 7:41:51 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

Thank you Eddy Z, aka: Ice-man, for calling me at home and straightening this situation out, I really do appreciate it!
This issue is hopefully to be resolved and I can only hope the grower who lost most of his season, can accept my apologies...and a genuine replacement 810 Dill, and any other seed of his choosing from my collection.

11/23/2004 10:45:56 PM

ontario

I agree with Drew....to much at stake to get a fake one...I use to trade alot but now I trade very little. I have had a few fake seeds passed along to me....but before you judge the trader, remember he or she may not be aware its a fake....comparing seeds to ones you already have is not fool proof either....most from a pumpkin or squash are usually uniform, but there are some that are legit that look different. ...sometimes you just need to ask and some growers will give you a top seed once you have shown your a serious competitive grower...yes Bill Bobier you.....generous enough to give me another shot at a 723 Bobier( but it split)...I think the trend soon will be growing ones own seed stock.....look around there are many growers doing very well off their own seeds...we have a genetic gene pool like none in the past...I myself we will be growing more of my own.....if you took the time to plan the cross why not grow it, you exspect someone else too............wayne

12/4/2004 12:46:57 PM