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10/27/2014 3:50:02 AM

Eurasia

To enlarge AGs, I have bred C. maxima 'Quadramble' a four lobed mutation of 'triamble' pollinated by my new variety C. maxima 'Nadym' a C. maxima boer ford 'Pumpkin de Durban' x C. maxima 'AG' from 2012.
This Quadramble will be hoist through recurrent selection (why should I bar out nature?) and always be pollinated by the same stretto bred giant pumpkin 612 Ammer 14 a two times selfed AG 1385.5 Jutras 07. Because members of this forum do not accept my giant (no GPC-fruit, because I never wanted to visit a GPC-Weighing), the greater Quadramble will be no Atlantic Giant then.
Triamble comes from Uruguay and mainly was cultivated in Australia then. But I breed the new giant Quadramble in Bavaria now. And so the new more dense and far better shaped giant will be the Uruguay-Bavaria or UruBa-Giant. This fruit will not be grown in North America, where you already have the 140 Rahe 14 as the best base for future world records one or two years before the UruBa-records.

10/27/2014 5:36:20 PM

Eurasia

If US soldiers want to whip my C. maxima 'Nadym' from the field in Uganda (priviliged multiplication with half a dozen of farmers), they will be jailed, president M7 said.
Nadym grows up to 100 lbs. now and is a very flat and super dense pumpkim with best qualities for making fries. It has a very good storability and a shiny white skin like no other boer ford or other pumpkin shows.
But as I said: Hands off!
And Quadramble is save in a seed bank in Eurasia.

10/27/2014 6:01:21 PM

norway , maine

attention : Ludwig has not grown a 612 lb pumpkin...it is a fantasy or figment of his imagination. In case you dont already know this guy is OFF THE RES as they say....

10/28/2014 6:29:29 PM

Torrance, Ca.

I love it,,,,,, I don't even see the posts anymore;)

10/28/2014 11:07:29 PM

Northern California Foothills

I think it would take quite a few generations until you get fruit size back up to AG level. By that point you might lose the very characteristics you wanted to introduce in the first place. If you get to that point you or someone else would have to grow a near world sized pumpkin to get people's attention. Even then there would be opposition to your new and improved AG because it would taint the gene pool and would bring change to the hobby. Not trying to discourage you, just being realistic. I encourage you to continue with your project but don't think it will be adopted by the giant pumpkin growing community.

10/29/2014 11:08:35 AM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

Like combining a lion with a house cat

10/29/2014 1:04:14 PM

Piqua, Ohio

This year I put big max flowers up my butt and farted the pollen on an AG female. I call this cross the fartius maxima. This cross will grow a world record long before Lugnut's.

10/29/2014 6:52:48 PM

East Jordan, MI

now that is funny josh...

10/29/2014 8:07:09 PM

norway , maine

Only a three times stretto bred fartius maxima will achieve world record of fatted AG

10/29/2014 11:14:04 PM

Springfield, Missouri

Now its possible that I had one too many watching the World Series tonight, but I've been feeling frustrated for lack of a better word. Now don't get me wrong this place has been an inspiration for me for quite some time. I started growing when I was 13 or 14, and am still doing so now at the age of 22.

Growing at such a young age with no mentor, and no parental support was hard. I saved my allowance/paychecks for seeds and pesticides, and I can't tell you how many times I read How to Grow World Class Giant Pumpkins I-III. I dreamt of someday being as great as Ron Wallace, Don Young, Dave Stelts, ect., and still do. It has been people from this community that motivated me to go for a masters degree in what I love... plant physiology and breeding.

What frustrates me is being treated like a kid, someone crazy, or out of the loop. The only thing that I have ever wanted to do is contribute to this community, but contributing with SIZE has been hard with lack of resources and location. All I would like to do is offer cutting edge technology, but unfortunately there are people like Ludwig that have made it a joke.

10/30/2014 1:36:40 AM

Springfield, Missouri

Using marker assisted selection it is possible to maintain many traits at once by taking tissue samples of seedlings, and only selecting those seedling with the proper “markers” associated with the gene(s) of interest. If we were to back cross with Atlantic Giants 5-6 generations the genetic purity would be 98.5%, but you could have PM, SVB, Fusarium resistance ect. Maybe it wouldn't help the top growers, but it would help the novice or organic grower.

I posted this discussion with the hopes that people might contribute what genes they would like to see added. Determination makes progress, and there is no short supply in this community. If breeding interests you please contact me, as this is something that I can't do alone.

Sorry for the rant, it was just something I had to get off my chest. I have the up most respect for everyone on here. Regards, Logan

10/30/2014 1:41:30 AM

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Don't let any Bavarian BS get you down. It is obvious that you are dedicated to making a real contribution to our hobby. Any insect or disease resistance you can breed into AG's would be a big help to all of us. SVB resistance would benefit everyone, as it would reduce the use of neonicitinoid insecticides like Merit that are a threat to our bees. PM, fusarium and pythium resistance would sure help me with the high humidity micro climate in my deep valley. Plant breeding isn't one of my areas of expertise, but I wouldn't mind test growing a plant for you every year if that would help test your work.

10/30/2014 8:33:49 AM

Bethlehem CT

Duncan I am excited about what you are looking to do as well. I would be happy to grow out a plant or two of yours each year. I am sure it will take time but with your youth, smarts and faith, you can succeed.

10/30/2014 8:50:22 AM

Northern California Foothills

Logan, I'm sorry for the brash words. BTW I'm a few years younger than you so I'm not treating you like a kid. I feel the same frustrations as you do. You know way more about plants than myself and the vast majority of this forum.

From what I've seen on bigpumpkins for the few years I've been a member demonstrate this hobby overall isn't science based. There is a lot accepted as fact on this forum that may or may not be true and a few things I think are nonsense ( ie. "proven" seeds).

Keep doing what you're doing as long as you continue to enjoy it. Hopefully someday it will help some growers.

10/30/2014 11:15:03 AM

Netherlands

Looking at the list in your diary, I'd say thick walls and uniform thickness are very important for pushing this hobby forward (not that it isn't moving a lot faster than I can keep up with). Most of the other things on your list can be solved through care and selection. Studies have shown that there is a critical point in large fruit/vegetables (and many other things) where the structure can no longer support the weight. All fruit/vegetable will change their shape to better deal with the added weight, but at some point it will no longer hold.

Even trees have this critical point concerning height, where the tree cannot suck up water any higher than a certain point (130 feet for the tallest trees), meaning trees will never grow beyond this point without manipulation.

The pressure applied to a fast growing pumpkin will cause it to split at the weakest point. If the flesh is thicker, it will be able to cope with the pressure beter. If it is more uniform, the pressure will be divided more equally and not cause the thinner parts to crack.

10/30/2014 12:05:27 PM

norway , maine

Sorry Logan iam interested the topic of your thread (alot) . moving forward i will refrain from engaging in the nonsense and try and contibute in a more positive manner - Mitch

10/30/2014 6:00:31 PM

West Sacramento Ca.

Dutch , I'm pretty sure Sequoias get much taller than 130 feet all on their own.

10/30/2014 6:24:42 PM

Cincinnati,OH

I made a cross for soilborne disease resistance. I grew the seed, was able set fruit on it but, as suspected, the fruit were all seedless. http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=131429
Shoot me an email Logan. Iv'e also done some work with heavy genetics.

10/30/2014 7:57:08 PM

Northern California Foothills

Dutch Brad meant 130 m.

10/30/2014 10:30:28 PM

Upa Creek, Mo

I commend you for your work. Keep thinking outside the box and don't let people tell you it can't be done, how did we get here in the first place growing these?

I saw your pumpkin was at Stone Hill, do you grow in Hermann or out of Springfield?

10/30/2014 10:52:44 PM

West Sacramento Ca.

Troy. Now that makes a little more sense.
Scott

10/31/2014 12:26:51 AM

Netherlands

Sorry, of course 130 meters. Gravity seems to limit the size of many things and also causes the weird shapes we see in large pumpkins.

10/31/2014 6:26:10 AM

Bethlehem CT

While we are on trees, I think that it is very interesting how important the environment is to bring out the maximum size inherent in the coastal or giant redwood. You would be hard pressed to grow a giant redwood to 50' this side of the Mississiippi.
It is hard to know what the ideal natural environment would be for the Atlantic Giant as the C. maxima has been domesticated for so long. The best growers are all able to mimic ideal growth conditions during the growing season.

10/31/2014 8:44:26 AM

West Sacramento Ca.

I know it's altered mine !

10/31/2014 9:39:44 AM

Springfield, Missouri

I just wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions and support. The emails that I have received have been great, and very productive. I am starting an email group for anyone who is interested, and will post updates in my diary. If you would like to be in the email group or want to help out please contact me.

10/31/2014 10:02:34 PM

Eurasia

Did you think about C. maxima fusiformis `New England Blue Hubbard´ pollinated by AGs?

11/5/2014 9:53:05 AM

President - GPC

Logan, Very interesting stuff in your diary. ME Wizzy hats off to you....keep up the great work and the diary. If you need someone to plant some seeds to develop for you I have an area to offer for that..and will work with you....if you want. Keep it up!

11/11/2014 10:26:04 AM