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Upper Strasburg, PA

First the 845 Bobier grew 2 world records, now the 1989.5 Daletas and 867 Davis have proven capable for growing over 2000lbs. Remakes work.

9/9/2018 4:19:24 AM

Colorado

I agree that remakes "can" work. I think theyre prob. a higher% chance of a good cross than two random parents. But genetically theyre still quite different than the cross theyre modeled after.

9/9/2018 1:25:55 PM

Grittyville, WA

Maybe the key here is crossing two selfed kins. The evidence seems to suggest the 1625 and 1756 genes work together. The 845 was a remake of the 723? This is an interesting post... More info please?

9/9/2018 9:18:48 PM

Upper Strasburg, PA

Yes, 845 was the same cross as the 723, done a year later. The 723 was a success, so people tried the 845 too. The 845 ended up growing 2 world records, the 1260 Weir and 1337 Houghton.

There may be some merit to the idea that crosses of selfed seeds may be more dependable for producing similar results to the original cross. The Bobier seeds don’t follow that exact pattern, but the 935 Lloyd half of it had been line bred for a couple of generations. The 1446/1420 crosses had a similar dynamic, with the 1446 side having been line bred for a couple of generations.

Then again, there were multiple examples of the 845/898 crosses that worked, and those parents had a pretty heterogeneous pedigree.

9/9/2018 9:34:34 PM

Grittyville, WA

Thank you. Ps Some notes if you're interested in trying a 2145 remake... Mendi has one that I think would go orange... Cooper has one that was relatively big nearly a pb so it might be a good one, too.

9/10/2018 1:52:21 AM

Upper Strasburg, PA

I have a 2145 and 1989.5. I’m thinking about crossing them together, like a sibling type of cross but not quite as inbred- like the 1097 Beachy was (845 x 723). Depends how good we can make our soil by next spring. I’ll hold off on planting them until the time is right.

9/10/2018 8:41:34 AM

On a cliff in the desert

I am growing Tobeck selfed 2145s (2002 and 1836) crosses. I am hoping I can get the best traits of each into one seed.

9/10/2018 10:18:59 AM

Grittyville, WA

Smart idea. Also taking the 2118 WR selfed squash line into one of the largest selfed pumpkin lines like the 2150 or 2112 Skinner would be interesting. It sounds like bad traits are showing up though in some really big selfed lines whereas the 1756 and 1625 are smaller but somewhat bulletproof for breeding??? It will take a year or two to find which seed will be the next 1756 or 1625

9/10/2018 2:10:09 PM

Upper Strasburg, PA

Still not sure what to make of the 2150 from our experience. It started very slow, then took off and looked good, but hardly produced any secondary vine growth or female flowers and they were all 3 lobers. We set 2 pumpkins just as big jackolanterns and got them to about 250 lbs with minimal care. We lost one to a soft spot, but the other is hanging in there. They both turned out to have a smooth shape and were high at the shoulders. I’m interested to see what other folks have gotten out of that seed this year.

9/10/2018 4:33:20 PM

Iowa

At this point in the game with the genetics out there having the right grower for a seed to see it's true potential is just as important as the seed itself.

9/10/2018 10:33:15 PM

Colorado

Lunker very well said

9/12/2018 12:38:44 PM

Bloomfield, Iowa

My 867. Was grown in a drought, month behind everyone and on a secondary 6 to 8' out. I believe Geddes showed it can geow!

9/14/2018 10:25:57 PM

Bloomfield, Iowa

Grow. Sorry.

9/14/2018 10:26:32 PM

Austin MN

Sheriff I'd give your 867 a go :)

9/18/2018 9:01:42 PM

Bloomfield, Iowa

Absolutely Tanner.

9/18/2018 11:52:14 PM