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Springfield, Missouri

Do they have the same potential? Do seed collected from the larger parent perform better? Thoughts on these seeds? Think we’ll see a side by side comparison from any world class growers? Data from other reciprocal crosses is also appreciated!

1/31/2023 2:11:31 AM

If you go to pumpkinfanatic.com/tools and look up 1161 rodinis plus the 1566 rodinis, just click on progeny

1/31/2023 8:21:02 AM

Syracuse, NY

Any unproven AG seed has the same potential as another unproven one
(nowadays, I suppose 'proven' may indicate 2,000-pound progeny) when grown side by side versus another unproven seed; If a seed has previous progeny, a track record of what other growers have achieved with that seed, then, at least 'we' have an idea of what it can and possibly might grow this, next or any season thereon - depending on many, many factors - weather, soil, damage to the fruit and/or plant disease, etc., but mostly the grower's skill and diligence at growing them. So, if you see 2345 pounds and beautiful orange as one's result, well, it IS possible for anyone else as well. Not PROBable for anyone, but then there may be 4-10 others that have worked wonders with that seed, so...there is hope! I rarely consider seeds that do NOT have a track record, that are thus far a couple of numbers that sound good together because of what the PARENTS of the seed have accomplished. That does not mean that every seed that had great-growing parents is going to produce outstanding offspring or higher high weights or brilliant color, but it IS working to that end, more and more. Not a Heavy Hitter yet, lol but I will say that planters of seeds that ARE unproven ARE the growers proving them. No one can argue with that. For y'all's perusal - have FUN!:

https://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/FruitProgeny.php?FruitName=1161%20Rodonis%202007

https://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/FruitProgeny.php?FruitName=1566%20Rodonis%202007

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1/31/2023 9:33:06 AM

Colorado

I like the 2332 because some of the seeds sprouted in the 2907.The 2332 is a nice filled out seed so im expecting good germination qualities.I used to like the bigger pumpkin as the pollinator but dont pay much attention to that when considering reverse crosses. The seeds will be different in performance at least on paper. thats a result more of who grows which one and total numbers grown.

1/31/2023 2:56:29 PM

Lodi, California

On paper they have the same potential. Every cross is a mix and match of genetics, even if they're the same cross. That's why siblings look different. You can think of them as copies of one another, imagine if the Patons had copies of the 1885 and 2356 and made the same crosses with similar fruit. Both copies would have similar potential, but potential doesn't dictate outcomes. Chances are one of them will be a bit better than the other, and which one that is won't be determined by the size of the number.

1/31/2023 9:34:11 PM

Lodi, California

in other words we won't know which one is better until they're grown, but each one has just as much of a chance of being good as the other. Accounting for defects in the seed as cojoe mentioned is good, though I'm sure the 2907 will grow fine. I believe the Patons germ tested them

1/31/2023 9:36:35 PM

Eugene,OR

Sounds like some of the 2907 seeds were test germinated inside the pumpkin!

2/26/2023 2:38:47 PM

Grittyville, WA

Each seed gets pollinated by its own grain of pollen, so one seed could be better than the others, but I dont think you could ever say that one entire pollination was better than the other, (unless the pollen from a particular flower was so inferior that it had deletions or omissions from its genetic code). I dont see how the genetic odds could stack in favor of one pollination vs the other. In other words, even if it appeared on paper that one was performing better, there would still be no scientific basis to say that one group of seeds was in fact genetically superior to the other.
But then there is the question of mitochondrial dna...

2/26/2023 3:32:04 PM

Grittyville, WA

Interestingly, the mitochondrial dna could be different? Except that both have the 2145 Mcmullen as a maternal grandmother. So any differences there would have accrued in the past four generations (or 5 in the case of the 2332.) It would be a good Phd project to determine if better mitochondrial DNA could be naturally bred into C. Maxima "Atlantic Giant". Or bioenigineered, which would be a whole Pandoras box.

2/26/2023 3:41:50 PM

Oak Grove, Mn

where is the info on maternal preference...i remember from years back someone posted something that related. Too many years to try to find the thread.

2/26/2023 4:48:35 PM

Oak Grove, Mn

thanks brandon..for reopening the higher level discussion

2/26/2023 4:50:18 PM

Iowa

If you grew the 2332 and had access to some 2907 pollen would you make that cross or what genetics would you use to pollinate the 2332?

3/16/2023 7:49:49 PM