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Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Ok, I am creating a site which will essentially provide what aggc is to pumpkins, for soil. The first version will be a beta and all comments will welcomed regarding what I should add/remove to make the site complete. I am no soil expert, but I hope this will make the soil game go easier for some.

Essentially, growers will be able to add results of soil tests, as well as ammendments made. This will allow users to see what a particular result contained, what ammendments were made, and what the next results showed, etc. I will eventually put some graphing stuff in so that a user will be able to track (graphically) the trends of their soil.

I am creating the database schema now. For now I have the following things to track for a sample.

    id

    sample_date

    lab
    soil_type

    soil_ph
    buffer_ph

    organic_matter

    est_nitrogen_release
    nitrate


    phosphrous_olsen
    phosphrous_double_acid

    phosphrous_weak_bray
    phosphrous_strong_bray
    phosphrous_bicarb


    potassium (k2o)

    magnesium

    calcium

    sodium

    cec (meq/100gm)

    sulfur

    iron

    manganese

    zinc

    copper

    boron

    aluminum

    base_sat_k

    base_sat_mg

    base_sat_na

    base_sat_h


Comments? Is this a valuable tool people will use?

Anyhow, my question is, should I include all 5 P test types...and are all of these distinct types, or do I have the same test under diff names?

Thanks

11/15/2007 10:03:52 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

I dont know why some spaces showed up in there. Disregard some of the "groupings" as they are not intended to mean anything.

11/15/2007 10:04:55 AM

Nicholls Georgia

thank you

11/15/2007 2:21:26 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

No problem. I am just banking on other people who know more than me to assist the selection of what I track...Tremor, Russ, etc.

11/15/2007 5:30:44 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Only 1 person has interest? Hmmm...might not be worth it then.

11/16/2007 6:27:00 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Already half done pumpkin or broke, just trying to throw some coins in the pot to get the comments coming. LOL.

11/16/2007 6:31:29 PM

Farmerville, Louisiana

i can't even get anyone to look at my results and tell me what i need to do! every 1 at seed exchange i guess

11/16/2007 6:42:28 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

I went to answer it, but I already did. Shoot me an email, and we can discuss some more.

11/16/2007 6:47:35 PM

Ontario, Canada.

Jordan, you might want to contact Andy Wolf and have him send you his soil test file in .xls format. He has collected a lot of data over the years and even did a presentation at the convention a couple of years ago.

The file is very comprehensive and includes soil sample tests results from a host of heavy hitters which includes some of the fruit they grew from the tested plots. I believe most of the results were inconclusive but Andy may be able to help you.

11/16/2007 6:54:22 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

I will contact him. My goal is to provide a place where everyone can enter their sample results each time they have some. In addition, each amendment they put into the soil can be added/viewed, and each following analysis will also be available.

This should help pinpoint what it takes to make sample x look like y. Also, hopefully I will be able to incorporate some graphical libraries to show the nutrient trends of a particular patch.

For example here is the fall sample, here is what I added, here is my spring sample. Another grower can come in and say here is what my sample looks like, I see that grower z had a similar one, he added this and got this, I suppose I should add this. I plan to add some more complex functions, but will not elaborate until they are mostly working. This is my winter project.

11/16/2007 7:06:06 PM

Ontario, Canada.

This sounds like a great idea Jordan. I believe if you also contact Phil Hunt and Marc Levi (crammed)we may be able to get something like this up and running on the GVGO web site for all to see.

11/16/2007 7:18:19 PM

Farmerville, Louisiana

i need your e-mail address jordan

11/16/2007 7:21:20 PM

Williamsport, Pa.

i posted on soil prep and analisis about two weeks ago .. not one reply.. im just a nobody.. maybe this is what b.p. needs.. good job jorden , and i wish you luck and support, scottie

11/16/2007 7:22:56 PM

Ontario, Canada.

Ya see.... it works. Nudge and wink. Good Luck Jordan.

I will send you my past soil results asap.

11/16/2007 7:26:32 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

As of now, I have it hosted on my home web server. It will definitely be for all to see. I wouldn't spend all this time just for me.

So Phil and Crammed run the IT aspect of GVGO?

Sorry Scottie. Check now.

11/16/2007 7:27:27 PM

Ontario, Canada.

Yes and Marc can post the final version on the web site if approved by Phil.

11/16/2007 7:47:09 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Well, the only issue is that it is being designed and implemented using Java Servlets and JSP, so the GVGO site would have to support it. Not sure which DB they use in the backend.

Perhaps it will have to be a link to my web server. If it gets popular enough, I will transfer it to a commercially hosted box if necessary.

11/16/2007 7:56:55 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

Andy & I discussed this a few years ago. There are too many variables to insure consistent results.


Growers who don't take a proper sample.
Labs that use the same test protocol reporting different results.
Different organic amendments in various regions.
One grower amending with MOP, another with Greensand, kelp or SOP.
Some folks feed plants, others expect to feed the soil.
One tills in before the snow, another waits for spring.
Two identical reports from the same county run by the same lab on the same day & the seeds of the same fruit differ by hundreds of pounds?

If we got a few soil folks working on it the next thing we know we have 6 new soil tests in our inbox every day all submitted in a different report format from a different lab using different extraction methods. Two hours later we make recommendations & discover that one person went to the ag-coop, another is at the hardware store & another in in Home Depot all buying something different but with the same expectation. Then they all forget to buy a digital scale & start slinging coffee cans around.

When all is said & done, the best bet for the non-professional is to work with a local growers club &/or lab that knows the native soil types & has been operating with them for many years.

11/17/2007 2:09:05 AM

Ontario, Canada.

Jordan, You are way over my head with the Java Jargon.

I beleive as Steve states there are some problems as he has described above.

Still the web site idea is valid and can be used for things such as Phos levels to compare serviablity of mycoyrhisia fungi. OM levels, CEC, pH and maybe even ratios too. These are valuable and good data points to start with.

Use the Kiss method and access only a few points and leave the others open for interpretation.

11/17/2007 8:34:43 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Tremor, these are all good points. I have considered several of these, and think I have some solutions. Still in this case, I think the only way I am going to learn that is that hard way. I have some good ideas, and though they will require more work on my part, I still think I will give it a go.

11/17/2007 8:57:45 AM

Thornhill, Ontario, Canada

Jordan, I'm not really a programmer or database guy. So, I'm happy to help. But, I may only be able to do so when it comes to the aesthetics of the UI. Java's out of my league.

I can tell you that the databases on the GVGO site are MySQL. We can have a total of six and we're only using two right now. Those two are used for the message board and for the photo gallery. The databases are managed by the two pre-programmed PHP modules. So, I don't actually administer the database directly. I do it through the forum and gallery interfaces.

I am working on converting the current design from static HTML to use PHP includes. So, maybe the Java servlet could fit into the site that way. I'm pretty sure that the server would support it.

11/17/2007 9:31:14 AM

Thornhill, Ontario, Canada

I may be wrong about .JSP support:

http://www.hmhelpdesk.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=78

"JSP support is not available on shared hosting accounts, due to stability and resource issues generated by having that support active. Dedicated server clients can set up JSP support on their servers if they wish with the caveat that we cannot guarantee any performance-related metrics with such support in place."

11/17/2007 11:39:30 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Crammed, email me, we discuss further there.

11/17/2007 11:50:03 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Andy Wolf has been collecting data for years regarding soil analysis results. He was kind enough to provide me with this information.

For now I will be giving access to the site based on who has contributed in the past. I have a list (to follow) of contributors.

1. Can these contributors please contact me via email (jordan.rivington@gmail.com) so I can setup an account for them.

2. If anyone else thinks that the results of the some of these growers are worth looking at (which they are), email me any results you have. Please include how many patches you have and which soil results came from which patch. I need this to track which amendments went into which patch for tracking.

I will likely have the first phase done soon. It will allow me to put new samples in, let you as a grower view results by grower (as long as you contributed).

Once I get the different patches sorted out for past samples, any new amendments can be associated with a patch, to allow a before and after view of a patch sample.

Thanks again....oh yeah, the names....

11/17/2007 12:17:40 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Alan Makarchuk
Alan Nesbitt
Alex Noel
Alun Jones
Andrew Papez
Andy Wolf
April Engel
Bart Toftness
Ben Bortner
Bill Bobier
Bill Brinkley
Bill Cartwright
Bill Clark
Bill Foss
Bill Hopkins
Billy King
Bob Duffy
Bob Marcellus
Bob Wells
Brent Wolfey
Brian Brokaw
Brian Christensen
Brian Dueck
Brian Reid
Brian Staring
Brooks Bosworth
Bryan Kochanny
Bryan Reeb
Bryan Saylor
Buddy Greene
Casey Neuville
Checkons
Chris Andersen
Chris Stevens
Christy Wolf
Clarence Koch
Cliff Warren
Cory Campbell
Craig Fitzgerald
Craig Sandvik
Dale Fisher
Dan Bowles
Dan Carlson
Dan Hajdas
Dan McKie
Darrell Roulst
Dave McCallum
Dave Pley
Dave Stelts
Dave Stewart

11/17/2007 12:23:54 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Dave Wronski
David Palkovich
David Steele
Dean Ballman
Don Chambers
Don Crews
Don Young
Doug Adams
Dwaine Gipe
Ed Pappas
Eric ??
Eric Gerry
Eric Hapner
Erick Sison
Ernie Pearce
Frank Mudd
George Caron
George Janowiak
George Webster
Glenn Andrews
Glenn Dixon
Gordon Tanner
Gray Underwood
Gus Smithminster
Jake VanKooten
Jason Jongeneel
Jay Trumm
Jeff Glover
Jeff Hastreiter
Jeff Larose
Jeff Rinehart
Jeff Wells
Jerry Rose
Jim Fredricks
Jim Gatewood
Jim Martin
Jim Trumm
Joe Ailts
Joe Hannerman
Joe Pukos
John Doucet
John Elliot
John Maness
John Maston
John Porter
John Powers
John Vincent
John Wright
Josh Trumm
Kathy Morgan

11/17/2007 12:24:07 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Ken Byers
Kevin Marsh
Kevin Smith
Kristine Albrecht
Kyle Grahm
Kyle Little
Larry Checkon
Marc Sawtelle
Mark Korney
Mark Raymont
Mark Shymanski
Martin Reiss
Marty Schnicker
Matt Wickless
Mike Frantz
Mike Golat
Mike Matto
Mike Schroeder
Mike Stevenson
Mike Turner
Mikkal Hodge
Mikkel Fritz
Monty J
Monty Wallace
Ned Sandercock
Nic Welty
Nick Hamilton
Paul ??
Paul Huffer
Paul McIntyre
Paul Schweigert
Pete Carter
Peter Paynter
Peter Rondeau
Phil Hunt
Quinn Werner
Ralph Trumm
Randy Stromback
Randy Sundstrom
Ray Leonzi
Renald Provencher
Richard Plourde
Rob
Rob Seals
Rob Spearing
Robert Christen
Rock Rivard
Rocky Rockwell
Roger Drake
Ron Wallace

11/17/2007 12:24:18 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Ron Wilson
Russ Landry
Russ Pugh
Sam Lovelace
Sam Lovelace
Scott Armstrong
Scott Goodpasture
Shawn ??
Shellie Cramer
Stan Pugh
Steve Cline
Steve Green
Steve Jepsen
Steven Hatfield
Ted Reffner
Thomas Hathorn
Tim Bailey
Tim Herring
Tim Parks
Toby Atenico
Todd Hannerman
Tom Beachy
Tom Duffy
Tom Pencil
Tom Privitera
Vince George
Vince Zunino
Wade Wittenberg
Wayne Kennedy
Wayne Shue
dan's buddy (ANDY ??)

11/17/2007 12:24:29 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Thanks again.

11/17/2007 12:24:35 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In a perfect world, the following info would be sent from these guys/gals to me:

email
fname
lname
address
phone
public_email - Do you want your email public?
public_address - Do you want your email public?
preferred_units (ppm, kg/hect, lbs/acre)

How many patches:
    patch_name
    length
    width
    sun_exposure (full, partial shade, mostly shade)
    location
    gps_coords (if possible)

11/17/2007 12:28:36 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

And which samples came from which patch...lol...and which patches grew what (just weight/name).

Phew

11/17/2007 12:29:21 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

...and when the patch was established.

11/17/2007 12:37:39 PM

Long Island,New York

Please delete my name from any public website accessed soils data. Thankyou....Glenn A

11/17/2007 7:35:43 PM

Rapid City, SD

so there r 2 sam lovelaces'.......................he he

11/18/2007 12:16:05 AM

Midwest

Sounds like a good idea. I understand each lab uses differing testing processes, techniques, etc... Put the lab in to the db and we can cross-compare lab to lab or, stay in the same lab. sounds like you've got the technology background to do this. I do the same stuff for a living. I'd like to help if you need to bounce JSP, Java, J2EE, etc... ideas or problems, etc...
Best wishes
Greg

11/18/2007 1:24:26 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

LI I will remove your name. I assume you wont have a problem with leaving your sample data anonymously to help others?

11/18/2007 10:30:52 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Oops, only one Sam Lovelace as far as I know.

11/18/2007 10:31:30 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

If anyone else has magic soil that no one else can see, let me know, and their samples can be anonymous too. LOL.

11/18/2007 10:36:45 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Thanks Christrules. I will let you know for sure. Do you have any samples to add?

11/18/2007 10:40:23 AM

Long Island,New York

I sent that info to Andy for Andy's study. I'd rather you took it off completely now. I'm sure you understand, if not you can email me any questions you have. Thanks.

11/18/2007 11:09:42 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Sure LI. Your sample is gone. I completely understand what the deal is.

11/18/2007 11:25:52 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

For everyone else, I will put all data in as anonymous until I am contacted from the grower. I will contact some myself, but there are lots of people. Perhaps I should have emailed people in private.

The only thing is, that to make it worthwhile, the data must continue to come in and be current. Andy suggested that access only be given if new samples are contributed, and I agree. That means we need logins/passwords. If you don't contact me, I can't create an account for you.

11/18/2007 11:29:32 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Absolutely right. I should have emailed privately.

I did ask if they wanted their contact information private/public. I do agree however. It was a bad idea on my part. It really didn't even cross my mind because everyone always says the best part of the AG community is the sharing of knowledge. I was just pumped to be able to create a site for everyone like this. It seems to be one thing that many people always ask about. AGGC has all the info about heavy hitters and crosses and such.

Again, I do apologize. I don't have a problem admitting I was wrong. Everyone here will be anonymous be default. If you still want your data gone, email me jordan.rivington@gmail.com.

However, I do agree with Andy, that to see info, you have to contribute. I don't believe in anonymous accounts...might as well just give everyone access. I am not charging anything for this, and am spending lots of time, so the contribution rule still applies.

I don't think heavy hitters need this, its the new growers.

Once again, my bad. Don't let my mistake ruin it for the other growers which could benefit from this site.

11/18/2007 11:50:25 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

I have changed the design of the user info:

email - only used as a key to identity you uniquely. can be public, but by default its NOT

nickname - public (you chose it)
fname - private
lname - private
password - private

That should be better.

11/18/2007 12:05:31 PM

New growers need to learn "thier" soil and what it needs, there are no magic formulas for soil that growsum big,,,too many factors come into play.

Weather, experience, work ethic to name a few. Take the time to read Andy's files and you will quickly find out there is no real cross reference that exists between that data and what isn't already being discussed on these boards or well documented doing google or site searchs here.

Now if a database contained things like soil tests, weather data (including soil temps, rain amounts and when, average daytime temps, amount of full sun, etc), and perhaps number of years growing,,,see where this leads?

A daunting task for sure,,,,

good luck if you attempt the site,, personally I think your time could be better spent elsewhere

Just my 2 cents,,

Dan B

11/18/2007 12:35:52 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Creating the site is not hard. Getting growers to record the data is the hard part. I can create spot for additional weather info, etc.

11/18/2007 12:41:44 PM

Nicholls Georgia

hey jordan if i send in a soil sampel test will i get to be part of the site

11/18/2007 1:20:10 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Of course. KathyT sent me 5 samples 30 minutes ago and I have already created an account for her. At this stage of development you can only retrieve samples...no advanced searches yet, but they will come.

Send me a desired password, but please DO NOT send me a password you use for anything else...I work in computer security and want to ensure your private information on other sites (banking, etc) is protected.

When you send the samples, if you can include the info above...minimally many patches, a name for each patch, which sample came from which patch. This will allow you to send more samples from same patches in spring and see what the differences in each patch are.

As a plus, if you can, tell me what you added to each patch. That will make it so you can see what made your patch go from a to b.

Later this will allow someone to say, if I add 500lbs of manure to my patch, and I have P level of x, what will my P level look like 6 months later.

11/18/2007 1:30:25 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Any who sends samples will get full access for free. If you gave Andy samples, you automatically have access, I just need a password.

11/18/2007 1:31:06 PM

Www.extremepumpkinstore.com

Why dont we start with a few questions...
Who are you?
How long have you been studying soil?
How will you protect my personal data?
You say you are into computer security, yet anyone who reads this and gives you data will be able to now know my email, address and phone...do you have ay idea that these are three key components to identity theft?
I would like all of my data removed please asap.
Tom

11/18/2007 5:37:14 PM

Ontario, Canada.

Tom, there is no personal information made public and none needs to be sent except for your gosh darned soil test result!!!! Besides Jordan has already asked if you want the email made public. Its nothing more than what existed here on BP for several years. All he is going to do is make a web site to hold the data and relate it to a grower and possible fruit. What's wrong with a good idea like that?

11/18/2007 5:55:02 PM

Www.extremepumpkinstore.com

Kahuna,
The info that he is asking for is personal data, please get your facts straight, "gosh darned"...keep yer panties on big guy, I don't recall addressing you about this, but since you made it your problem, I'll ask you this, why are you asking for more data then just the soil test results?
it isnt necessary? My point is anyone and everyone will be able to access any personal data that is submitted just by submitting soil test results, so when you folks are asking for everything short of a blood type, IT IS A BAD IDEA FOR ANYONE TO GIVE OUT THIS MUCH PERSONAL INFO, are you so naive that you cannot see that? My lord, I didnt mean to get so "gosh darned" intense....lol...I gave this data to someone I have known for a few years and trust, I have no idea who this person is.
By the way.... I do data security for a living... would you like a few examples of what the info that you are asking for can be used to get?

11/18/2007 6:11:16 PM

Ontario, Canada.

There is no personal information required period. He has made the changes folks have requested. Read the board completely.....

11/18/2007 7:21:11 PM

Ontario, Canada.

I sent information out to Andy as well and I have never included my personal info. There is no personal information in the file and there never was....

11/18/2007 7:23:55 PM

Nicholls Georgia

need email addy to send soil sampel to

11/18/2007 7:25:09 PM

Www.extremepumpkinstore.com

Russ,
I agree it isnt necessary, I said it wasnt a good idea to give out that much personal data...not the soil results..
Read the post completely...

11/18/2007 7:42:44 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

First, lay off Kahuna. I dont remember anyone addressing you specifically either, other than your name being in the list....and so is his.

1. Tom your email is on this site...everyone already knows it. I took the liberty to use your email (which gives away your first and last name) in the white pages and found your full address. I wont bother posting on this site, but I can email you if you dont believe me.

2. I already said you don't have to give me anything before you posted.

3. It doesn't matter how long I have been studying soil. This is a website to hold info and allow users to retrieve what they want. I have been working JSP/MySQL for 10+ years, so I am qualified to do this. I could make a site to hold any information if I was told what to keep. Hence asking everyone what I should keep...above and beyond the obvious information contained in EVERY soil sample.

4. As for protecting everyone elses data, it is all stored on a brandnew Sun Microsystems Sunfire server with hardware encryption on the disk. The entry point into my network is protected not only with a full firewall, but also an intrusion detection system. The security of my network meets government standards. If you want to protect your email and address, you should try to bring down the internet...cause thats the only way.

11/18/2007 8:09:44 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

I could also give everyone my PK so you could establish an RSA encrypted connection for data transfer, but you and I both know that you are being the way you are because you have loyalty to LI.

11/18/2007 8:11:34 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Got the phone number too, good old internet. Dont expect a call though. LOL.

11/18/2007 8:18:44 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

I think everyone has to relax a bit, I know its winter, but come one.

By the way, I never put anyones info on any site yet, the only thing sent out was a list of names to this site requesting help. Everyone knows each others names already. A simple no would be adequate.

John Powers, I will gladly leave your information of the site. Like I said, I have no problem with it.

11/18/2007 8:27:40 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Pumpkin or Broke, jordan.rivington@gmail.com

11/18/2007 8:28:25 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

I am still making a site, but it will begin with new data contributed by those who wish to. Andy, you had good intentions, others not so much.

Every grower I listed, assume you data will not be accessible on the site (because it wont). If you want access, just send me your permission to use the data, I will add it, and you will have access. If not, hope you didnt take offence...and if you did, I'm sorry.

Its just not worth my time to take this kind of shit for trying to do everyone a favor and share a website like this.

11/18/2007 8:35:09 PM

Www.extremepumpkinstore.com

Jordan,
LOL...thanks for proving my point......with just that little info, you found all of my personal info......I understand that you have now changed it and nothing but email address and name will be displayed. I am trying to look out for fellow growers....by the way, glenn is a big boy he can fend for himself

11/18/2007 8:59:52 PM

Rapid City, SD

cheese wiz

11/18/2007 9:03:27 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Ok, Tom, I agree I dont need that info. I intended nothing bad. I certainly wont try to steal your identity. LOL.

When I design a DB with a user table, it just makes sense to have it. Force of habit.

I dont even need to display your name if you want. I have a nickname spot. I just wanted to keep track of who it came from, so if someone was a repeat data contributor, I could associate the new data with the old. Thats all.

The GPS coords, were just because its kinda cool. I have a similar site for tracking all the musky and steelhead I catch and I have gps coords for all that too, again, I suppose its force of habit.

There is nothing wrong with looking out for fellow growers, it should be applauded. I am trying to get the new growers information that will help them get rid of the learning curve.

I fully understand if you still dont want your soil sample data, but will be happy to share it with others (under only Bohica) if you dont mind.

11/18/2007 9:06:44 PM

Www.extremepumpkinstore.com

ok, that works.
Thanks.

11/18/2007 9:10:22 PM

Rhode Island

is it spring yet?

11/19/2007 8:12:47 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Thats a long way away pap. Shoot me an email, I'm sure there is an account for the godfather whether his data is in the site or not.

11/19/2007 9:59:01 AM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

Jordan,

You can use my data.

If it were up to me, I'd make the site accessible to all. That's the best way to ensure that the site will hit critical mass, and be successful. Good luck with it.

11/19/2007 11:27:37 AM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Ok, great. Much appreciated. I will email you with further details.

It is open to all who send data. I think that is reasonable. Everyone loves free. After all, everyone has gotten a soil test, and if not, this site wont help you.

11/19/2007 11:41:00 AM

Midwest

Jordan:

And, now back to something not related to security. Would you consider including the following information in the web site?

base saturations: ppm or lb/acre

A master table for the 'lab'. Lab info that may be easy to obtain: name, address, phone, e-mail. This would assist for reference and contacting the lab. Tables would be a great solution but, I realize how much work is involved.

Additional patch info...
a. tilling method: (till, no-till, other tilling method)
b. cover-crop name:

Tilling: tilling impacts the fertility of the patch. IMHO, tilling method, while not a soil test attribute, fills in the scenario of soil fertility. Would like to see a drop down list selecting the method.

Cover-crop: impacts the fertility of the patch. Yes/No checkbox would be ok or a drop-down with crop name for full benefit.

11/19/2007 2:11:51 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Good stuff. I will add fields for tilling method. I think the cover crop would be considered an ammendment...which there will be a separate table for.

Both will be drop downs.

At this stage, I am entering all data, since I dont have all server side validations in place yet. Once they are done, I will likely allow people to add their own data. Would be much easier on me.

I can add a table for labs too. That being said, anyone participating, please lookup the address, etc, for your lab and send to me.

Thanks for the input.

11/19/2007 2:22:40 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

If I forgot to tell anyone I set up in the site today, the address is http://anubis.pointclark.net/soil

Enjoy

11/19/2007 5:14:06 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Soil type is important. There is no question. I have a spot for it in the DB, but no one has given me their soil type.

If you know it, please send it too.

11/19/2007 5:23:09 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Perhaps I spoke the wrong way....when I said lay off kahuna, I didnt mean, Russ lay off me, I meant, dont get pissed or yell at Russ.

Russ is a good friend, and was talking to him on the phone last night...I assume he took it the way I meant it because he answered the phone...lol.

11/20/2007 1:50:13 PM

Ohio

Jordon, I think your site is going to work out very well, once everyone starts entering there data its gonna be nice to compare soil samples with other growers, I also think its going to be a nice site to learn how other growers tweak there soil to get it balanced.

11/20/2007 6:26:00 PM