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1055.5 Pitura*

10/7/2009 4:07:43 AM

Tiller

Covington, WA

It's too subjective a question I think, and thats probably why you haven't had much response to your question. It depends on what you've grown and what you are looking for in a squash. Dutch Brad tells us the 1055.5 Pitura* and thats probably a judgement based on his experience. Others may have another favorite. I don't have a favorite at all but will be growing my own seeds as I have a lot of them. I personally like it when a pumpkin throws a green squash and then I can cross it in to a line with the 900.5 Lyons, or if all the planets properly align a line with no 900.5 Lyons in it that also goes green. Given limited space and time most squash fans can only grow one or two plants which doesn't bode well for diversifying the genetics of the greenies. But if you figure out an answer to your question let me know, I'd like to grow it too.

10/7/2009 1:50:29 PM

St. Thomas Ontario

800 Neily puts squash on the ground over 1000 lbs. (848 Mackenzie genetics). The 1217.5 Jarvis X 1132 Vincent will be 'the perfect storm'. Don't believe me? Wait 'till next year...i'm leaving the soft spot at home!;)

10/7/2009 3:20:24 PM

LIpumpkin

Long Island,New York

Tiller is correct----too subjective a question. The seds I would suggest haven't been grown enough to validate my opinion with data. Most squash seeds/crosses haven't been grown and will never likely ever get a fair trial unfortunately. So all you have to go by is what has it done....the seed that grew the 1234 proved it could do it but what has it done since??? The 800Niely makes nice size but fails to get to the finish line. If I had one shot at a big squash I would grow the 848MacKenzie. If I had 5 spots and was looking for a world record I'd probably grow the 848*, a 1028Johnson*, a 824Brunst*, a 1217.5Jarvis, and a 1132Vincent....whats the best squash seed?>>>> it all depends on what your are after.

10/7/2009 4:38:16 PM

Netherlands

The 800 Neily can grow big without a doubt, but a biggie from that seed has never made it whole to a weighscale yet.

The 848* seems to get stuck at 1130 lbs.

I'll be going with 2 squash next year and will chose from 1055 Pitura*, 1234 Wursten*, 848 MacKenzie*, 1028 Johnson* and 1047 Cuypers 09*. Probably the 1047* and probably not the 1028*.

10/7/2009 4:43:04 PM

Netherlands

Glenn, since 2007, the 1055 has grown two 970+ lb squash, that's all.

This year seems to be a poor squash year in general. But at the Belgian weigh-off we had 4 between 947 and 1047 lbs, excluding a green pumpkin. There were 25 squash entries, so greenies are certainly not dead here in Belgium and Holland.

10/7/2009 4:49:38 PM

St. Thomas Ontario

A Long, shallow ribbed 800 is the 'set' to watch for...It has them. "Mr.T" grew one (Won N.S weighoff in a bad season;) If he hadn't watered with seawater it would've been bigger. A huge 800 would have made it to the scale last weekend...someone wants the W.R though...all the best bud;)

10/7/2009 5:36:00 PM

Picton,ON (j.vincent@xplornet.ca)

The 848 has maxed out. I have seen too many 1055's fail to go big as well. I would suggest the best squash seed will likely end up being one of yet the unplanted crosses from this year combining the power of the 848 and the heavy genes of the 824 Brunst lines. The 1217.5 Jarvis is one and there may be one other........

10/7/2009 6:40:30 PM

MR. T. (team T)

Nova Scotia

some heavey hitters have already requested 1217.5 jarvis seed. And I bet they know what there doing.

side note my 800 neily went 17% heavey and did win on a bad season out of a garden that only has 6" soil on a steep side hill beside apartment builds (half day light)near the cold ocean here, and because of some bad luck my main vine split twice in half befor my squash and was deadhead right after.

If a seed can take first in these conditions and also be the largest yet in North America (1217.5 jarvis that was brought down by a VineBorer eating a hole in her causing a soft spot no desiese or weak spot just bad luck and poor pest control;) Causes me to waiver between growing the jarvis and neily again.

10/8/2009 8:18:09 AM

Picton,ON (j.vincent@xplornet.ca)

Sean

Can you e-mail me a pic of your squash?

Thanks
John

10/8/2009 8:31:51 AM

MR. T. (team T)

Nova Scotia

Sure CK but you may not like the cross. 1502 wallace which went 10% heavey in my garden.

I did this cross as the neily tends to have a concaved blossum end and low and the wallace has patruding end and high. as well the 1502 wallace is always white so hopefully will not affect the color to much. also did revese cross

10/8/2009 10:33:01 AM

LIpumpkin

Long Island,New York

Ok..I misunderstood (again)...I thought the 1217 was 800 x 1132...........

10/8/2009 4:11:18 PM

Picton,ON (j.vincent@xplornet.ca)

The 1217 is 800 x 1132. The 800 is 836 Neily x 848. The 836 is 848 x 1063 Mackenzie. The 1063 is 848 x 895 Hester. Therefore the 800 is 7/8ths 848.

The 1132 is 995 Vincent x 824 Brunst. The 995 is 848 x 898 Vincent. The 898 is 824 Brunst x 552 Sherwood. Therefore the 1132 is 3/4 824 Brunst.

10/8/2009 4:45:54 PM

St. Thomas Ontario

It is..or should i say it was (800 Neily x 1132 Vincent=1217.5 Jarvis). Mr T also grew an 800 Neily producing a 592lber. Not bad considering he was jinxed for not giving up his 1502;)

10/8/2009 4:46:36 PM

St. Thomas Ontario

Good info CK. Genetics 501...this is how we're gonna get them big...(with a side dressing of good fortune of course;)

10/8/2009 4:57:14 PM

LIpumpkin

Long Island,New York

Ok...I like the 1217.5 again.....lol

10/8/2009 7:23:13 PM

MR. T. (team T)

Nova Scotia

CK pic will be up in my diary soon

10/8/2009 7:58:26 PM

Netherlands

Yes, the 1217.5 sounds good on paper at least.

John, to which weigh-off are you taking your big greenie? I'd love to see it at Cornerstone.... and be the first to congratulate you if it beats mine. :)

10/9/2009 2:13:37 AM

Netherlands

I agree that the best squash seed may be one from this year.

The seed that catches my eye is the 1047 Cuypers 09* (if it has seeds).

Leo Cuypers is a Belgian grower who has specialized in squash.

Last year he grew the two largest squash in Europe off of the 977 Timm and the 1040 van Rompaey and he crossed them.

His 978 (977 x 1040) produced his 1047 of this year, which he crossed with a green 1310 Pitura. The 1047 is the 2nd biggest squash in Europe ever. The green 1310 weighed in at 947 lbs but was still young and growing on a plant about 250 sq ft.

But I like the 1132* and 1217* too... Going to have to beg Mr. Jarvis for a seed.

10/9/2009 2:30:00 AM

Pennsylvania Rock

Rocky-r@stny.rr.com

How about the 834 Gadberry? I know it is an older seed (onewhich I am looking for) but I have never seen another squash grow with that dark dark enerald green skin. My son was a bit confused as to why the 1177 Haist grew cram to light green, and even Karls 2 had orange on them. I think we have selfed some things way too much sometimes. Next season we want a dark greenie, so any suggestions as to a dark (very very dark) greenie that would throw a monster?

10/9/2009 6:36:59 AM

St. Thomas Ontario

No begging required Brad;) will happily trade for a good pumpkin seed...or one of those 'tiny' marrows';)

10/9/2009 7:15:46 AM

Picton,ON (j.vincent@xplornet.ca)

There may be some good out cross genetics to be had from the 1040 Van Rompaey. I tried and failed to Germinate 2, 792 Olsen seeds this spring, which I wanted to cross into the line. The 792 has no 900 Lyons in it!

10/9/2009 7:59:51 AM

Netherlands

A 1040* weighed in at 992 last week in Belgium, 4th biggest squash ever in Europe. Didn't have the colour of the 1040* unfortunately. Some great genetics in that seed.

Sounds like we have a deal Joel...

10/9/2009 8:29:56 AM

Tiller

Covington, WA

Did anyone else notice this?
http://bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=122222
Is that really a squashinator grown on the 1385 Jutras in Austria? Imagine if Christy's 1385 threw that color. Some folks would be singing a different tune about what the best squash seed is. I'm not familiar with the fruit he pollinated with, but I would hope it's also producing green. From his diary it looks like that fruit started out pretty white and darkened up as it matured. I think perhaps some of the best squash seeds are sitting in bins and drawers and have never been given a chance to prove themselves unfortunately.

10/9/2009 12:18:22 PM

Andy W

Western NY

not really a squash, looks to be white. better pics here: http://bigpumpkins.at/news/o0o5-091005-447_5_kg_-_Ein_neuer__sterreich-Rekord

10/9/2009 12:49:56 PM

Tiller

Covington, WA

I don't know Andy, that is a better photo, but there's still a lot of green there along with the white. If that had been pollinated with a greenie I would expect to see some green offspring. There might be a few anyway... It always seems to be a guessing game with some. Sometimes you get lucky and get the green, and sometimes you just grow a nice pumpkin.

10/9/2009 12:59:44 PM

Netherlands

I document all pumpkins and squash for Europe and the picture I got of it, it was as pumpkin as could be. We did have a 98% greenie off of an 1142 in Belgium and my 1142 was also white/green.

The chance of a 'green' pumpkin throwing green again is pretty slim. I wouldn't want to take the risk.

10/10/2009 3:52:26 AM

benny_p

Germany

I started 5 of my own 905 Preis 08 seeds. 905 Preis is 833* Razo x self, 833* Razo is 962* Razo x 1068 Wallace, so 50 % of the genes should come of the seed producing 1521 Razo. Two of the seeds had true green squashes on it, unfortunatly I lost 905 ´B´to a rotting vine. 905 ´A´ was pollinated with its sibling and brings me 684* Preis EST DMG. The squash has a stem split, I thought I could heal it but finally he rotted. Perhaps an outcross squash seed ?

10/10/2009 6:57:24 AM