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Corryton, TN

Is there any intrest? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. The way I understand it the green gene is a simple recessive gene. If I put a breeding program together that would utilize some of the best pumpkin genetics and yet keep the green color would anyone be interested in the resulting seeds?

2/11/2010 7:17:42 PM

Picton,ON (j.vincent@xplornet.ca)

"You build a better mouse trap and the world will beat a path to your door"...problem with adding pumpkin genetics is that it tends to bury the green...Us greenies are always looking for outcross genetics....There are a few green lines that have all but been forgotten...thinking of trying to reserect them myself....but its a long term thankless project. If you have the time, space and patience to isolate a new line of heavy green genetics...you have my full support.

2/11/2010 11:27:00 PM

Cortona Toscana Italy

dave, for tis year my lineup and my entire garden are fullllll!
but i'm interested on your plan, next year i can grown some seeds with the target to select the green one from the cross and self it in order to hachieve more green possibility! probably in the f1 no green but f2 can show lots of green(some omozigosis for green and some eterozigosis) next step is to look at the omozigosis geen family and after this...we can think to select it for shape, color or size!
so at least (optimisticaly) 3 year of work!

2/12/2010 4:14:06 AM

Germany

already done ;-)

2/12/2010 7:46:39 AM

St. Thomas Ontario

This subject is a little more friendly,yikes;)
So being exposed quite extensively to canine husbandry, and spending too much time "talking shop" with Mr.T, gonna see what the 'squashers' think.
So to pull in aggressiveness, many times the Terrier is added in dogs. Problem is, they're small. That problem is Mute in the ring (note, i am not advocating dog fighting just an illustration;) Has anyone here taken something like a 'butternut'(small s.cavity compared to size) and tried to work that into giant genetics? May seem to digress in size for a bit but may cary forward a champ....thoughts/opinions? (Note:idea stolen from Mr.T's backyard;)

2/12/2010 8:03:11 AM

Corryton, TN

I've got the space and time to do this. I'll raise most of them like commercial AG's with the exception of pollination. This should give me the oppportunity to make several different crosses. I don't expect to get near as large of squash this way but the potential in these should be great. Would these seeds from not so large squash, 100-400 lbs, see dirt?
I am curious as to wether or not some of the AG's carry another gene or two that works similar to the gene in Charolais cattle, a diluter gene. It causes the washing out of color; black to gray and red to sandy/creame.

2/12/2010 9:44:31 AM

Cortona Toscana Italy

Dave, i sure can make see the dirt to some stabilized cross(pure green line) from a 998.6or 1385 or wathever is realy good and green one like neilly or mkkenzie line or wathever is good!
as usual size of the mother matter litle(thinking to the 275 van hook that grown lots of more tan 1000 lb!)
your crossing progect are in my mind also but i have not space to do something similar(i bred peppers and tomatoes because they are space saving)
you have my support!

2/12/2010 10:55:00 AM

Boise City, Oklahoma, USA

Charolais cow crossed to red angus bull gives you a pink calf. Strangest color. If you cross to red angus/part buffalo; that 90# calf will gain line nobody's business...

Squash... I think 1357 Ghaye and 1019 Grande are both pale ones... could try breeding those in to see if F2 would toss out pale green biggie ? (don't ask me right now to look up that 1019 picture... I thought if nothing else, the Iceman does white ones if Wiz doesn't)

2/12/2010 1:38:53 PM

Cortona Toscana Italy

apink kow.... okie have you a photo ofthis beast? i'mrealy curious!
not sure that diluter genes work on a.g.
rose are dominant versus green and orange that simply are recessive and need to be omozigotic to be showed off in the pumpkins but probably the shade of the color can be geneticaly controlled, but i think that sun/shade have a large part in the stronghness of the color!

2/12/2010 1:57:36 PM

Eastern Washington State

It seems that there color is controlled by more than one gene. I grew out the f2 progeny from a selfed AG X rouge vif'etampes cross. They were all 'orange', but as you can see, the shades varied from light salmon pink to deep orange to almost reddish.

Brian

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=125007
http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=125008
http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=125009

2/14/2010 12:54:22 AM

Boise City, Oklahoma, USA

I'll ask my mom, I think she has one of that one steer she made a pet out of... emanuele

Those are interesting pictures Brian.

2/14/2010 9:57:45 PM

Eastern Washington State

Thanks Deb,

I'm going to grow a dark green squash this year. I'd like to someday cross that with something light orange like a 1725 offspring, and see what color ranges happen in the f2. If someone selfs the 1725 i'll try it.

Hope that steer wasn't a house-pet, lol? Is the bison apparent in those kinds of crosses?

brian

2/14/2010 11:57:47 PM