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Colorado

If we all grew the same seed- what is the best seed out there (proven or new)?

My opinion would be perhaps one of the following, especially if there are >100 seeds available out of it to grow:

996 Haist
1037 Jarvis
89 shymanski
1264 Pierpont or another big one from this year (1233, 1175, both selfs of great seeds)
Joel’s big damaged ones from this year

Seeds from pumpkins that have 50% chance of going green next year (PERSONALLY I THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO GO, as all have 1495 stelts genetics in there):

1264 Haist (1221.5 Robinson* x 1014 Kuhn*)
905.5 Mohr (941*Sherwood x 996* Haist) good seed count
717 Holub (941*sherwood x 1037* jarvis)

Thoughts? Others?

10/24/2013 12:13:49 PM

Colorado

the above should read 230 Mohr (941*sherwood s 996*haist) good seed count- I haven't opened up the 905.5 yet...

10/24/2013 12:18:11 PM

Leerdam, The Netherlands

Probably could be the 1245* est Jarvis....
Joe Jutras already did a very nice cross with his 1135*...

Joel may respond to this..

10/24/2013 3:27:32 PM

Glosta

As hard as it is to get a true green squash I think the pkn genetics need to stay out.

the 1264* pier pont has 2 of the squashes you recommended in its lineage. 996* haist and 1037* Jarvis. And it all pretty much goes back to the 800* Neily ( 836* Neily x 848* Mackenzie)and the tree goes as follows
836* Neily (848 Mackenzie x 1063.5* MacKenzie)
1063.5* MacKenzie ( 848* MacKenzie x 895* Hester)

the 848* Mackenzie ( 895* Hester x 756* Kennedy) is rampant throught the whole lineage. So the 1264* Pierpont supports your theory on ne seed concentrated.

Therefore this year I will grow 1264* pierpont, 848* Mackenzie, and 800* Neily to keep the genetic line in my own crosses.

10/24/2013 3:43:49 PM

Willamette Valley, Oregon

1037.5 Jarvis 2010 [1486 WR pollinator] hasn't been as widely grown (not sure why with that WR daddy), so I don't think its true size potential has been shown. Or my 1175 Holub is the largest offspring from the 1037.5 so far, and it was super green/grey so it's a logical step to keep moving forward on that line.

I'd move the 996 Haist down the list and promote the 1233 Hunt (996 x self), or the 1264 Pierpont (How'd the pollinator on that one do Edwin?). 996 has been a great green producer; it makes sense to select a large 996 offspring and keep moving forward. - see my post on the other thread. Although compared to some pumpkin seeds the 996 hasn't seen much dirt, so who knows.

I like the 50% greenie list and concept. Seeds from those have a 50:50 chance of being green, so grow 3 or 4 in a patch and when the first female shows you'll know if you've got a greenie, pull the yellow female plants to make room. Another 50:50 greenie for the list is the 1106 Horde.

717 Holub had my 1175 as the pollinator.

10/24/2013 3:49:04 PM

Colorado

perhaps everyone can post their thoughts here, and if it looks like there is good interest in doing this, we can start a new thread in a week or so and see if we can all decide on a single seed.

thanks for everyone's input.

10/24/2013 3:58:50 PM

pete my thoughts even tho i dont grow squash i tried once

if everyone grows same seeds you mentioned-what if they all turn out orange ? or white then what?

10/24/2013 4:03:05 PM

Colorado

89* shymanski is very interesting-

89 Shymanski 12 squash ((1531Haist x 915 Haist*) x 1486 Jarvis*)

it grows green, has the 996* in there, the 1486* in there, and also started with awesome pumpkin genetics- Pukos and mcKie... older pumpkin genes, but some still in there

10/24/2013 4:04:43 PM

Colorado

Hi Don- some orange (or any other pumpkin color) is a real concern with some of these crosses. realistically though, the crosses listed above should give about 50% green progeny. Personally, I think that will ultimately be the price to pay for progress, and for some "lucky" grower(s) there will be some BIG green ones as well if enough get planted.

10/24/2013 4:24:10 PM

Colorado

Don, Iwan has a good example of what I'm talking about in his diary:

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryView.asp?season=2013&grower=24313&action=L

10/24/2013 4:53:01 PM

President - GPC

Pete,

I applaud these efforts toward the growing and future thought for green squash. Count me in for a greenie for next year... seed to be determined still. But my vote is either the 996 or the 1175 I hope to grow both next year. Sorry to hear that a prize structure did in the club efforts... really it should not be about cash...but about the advancement of the genetics for the hobby....

10/24/2013 4:55:22 PM

President - GPC

HereZ a thought... since the 1385 selfed and kicked off this phenom... why don't we pick our seed, then everyone self it...to see if get that magic fruit....seemZ to be working in the AG side of things...

10/24/2013 5:10:55 PM

St.thomas

For the record, I don't see all his theories as fact, but...some may hold some interest to us here.

"New research suggests that Charles Darwin's family was a living human example of a theory that he developed about plants: that inbreeding could negatively affect the health and number of resulting offspring.
Darwin was married to his first cousin, Emma Wedgwood. They had 10 children, but three died before age 10, two from infectious diseases...
Darwin authored three botanical books showing that cross-fertilization was much more beneficial than self-fertilization for maintaining robust and plentiful plant species.
-ScienceDaily.

I'm drawn to the 'out crosses' (green on green as much as possible in our limited squash world). And although the "100%" green, blue, grey may be a tough pill to swallow, it may be a nessesary evil until we lock in those true green genetics. A challenge with a limited seed bank but still possible.

10/24/2013 5:24:41 PM

St.thomas

2 moves to 'checkmate'...

call to "greenhouse grower" over the winter Cross..

John Butler's 776 (1002 x self)
X
Jim Sherwoods 982 (1129 Blalock x self)

...try to catch lightning in a bottle in 2014!

(boy this wine tastes good, shouldn't be giving this up;)

10/24/2013 5:39:56 PM

St.thomas

...or Maybe 877 (848 Mackenzie x self) Hunt on the 982 Sherwood

10/24/2013 5:55:21 PM

St.thomas

...or maybe 1019 Court (800 Neily x self) or 924 Jutras (996 Haist x self) on the 982 Sherwood...or any version thereof will likely catch the next 'green monster':)

10/24/2013 6:10:30 PM

Colorado

Joel, (if seeds available) what is your opinion on all growing 1037Jarvis? Like Scott says... best pollinator ever.

10/24/2013 6:17:37 PM

California

I think the 1037 is the one. The 1486 is not just the world record, it is by faaarrr the biggest ever.

10/24/2013 6:23:05 PM

St.thomas

We had it as GVGO's 'seed of the year' in 2012, I grew the largest at 950lbs and saw some (including my own) where color was 'riding the line'. I personally don't think it's the next "hit"...but Scott's this year and Mehdi's last has me thinking it still has potential.

10/24/2013 6:26:58 PM

Long Island,New York

Funny how people (in general...no one specific) who complain about the color rule always want to grow the mixed breed seeds. They create and promote the problems.

10/24/2013 7:18:46 PM

Cornelius, Oregon

What about the 750 Hester??? We all know the creature that produced on a side vine. Then cross the 1037 or the 996 into it.

10/24/2013 11:34:44 PM

St.thomas

750 Hester(sibbed 848?) could grow or create through pollination, a very nice squash.

At this point I think i'd stick with those squash x squash crosses then maybe the color rule could be eased a bit viewing a white, yellow or orange bloth on the skin as 'slight discoloration' rather than 'pumpkin trying to come through'...just my thought.

10/25/2013 8:25:00 PM

Putnam Ct.

Joel, what about your 609? both my plants threw the darkest green fruit I have seen in awhile.

10/26/2013 6:14:58 AM

St.thomas

Was a 'slow progressor'(not green like yours Gene, but finished as undeniable blue/grey squash...Final weight was 665lbs @ 19% heavy. Hoping she is the patient mother needed for an energetic father;) (609(1002selfed) x1135 jutras).

10/26/2013 8:42:45 AM

Claysburg , PA

996 Haist
1135 Jutras

Are my two top picks for GREENIES next year . Pumpkins genetics cause alot of trouble like Glenn stated . Color rule to me is a very touchy subject .

10/26/2013 10:53:58 AM

Leerdam, The Netherlands

Suggested is that when you plant this particular seed by a lot of a people (have I seen the number 100 or even 200?)
We will have a change to find that "silver bullet".
But how many enthousiastic growers are there? maybe 30??
...................

10/26/2013 11:26:13 AM

Colorado

good point Iwan- I've been thinking the same thing, and based on these posts it may even be less than 30, unfortunately... I still think its worth a shot if folks are up for it- even if we got 20-30 in the ground from a single seed, I think it would be an improvement over the last few years. Your 814* looks great on paper!

10/26/2013 2:00:18 PM

Littleton, Colorado

I like these two, 982 Sherwood and 905 Vincent-McGill but wouldn't mind trying some of the others mentioned. Count me in Pete.

Mike

10/26/2013 7:50:53 PM

N.c.

I am not (yet) a top tier grower but I am an enthusiastic grower. I would like to be in. Realistically I know you need to get an ample amount of seeds to the growers who have the greatest chance of making something happen.

10/26/2013 8:37:53 PM

Paradise Mountain, New York

I'm just saying, I know of several squash growers who planted the 1135 Jutras here in 2013 and could never get a pollination to set. Even after many trys

10/26/2013 10:41:00 PM

Leerdam, The Netherlands

Thanks Pete, I think its is.
Will grow it next year for sure next to one other squash

10/27/2013 2:50:30 AM

Willamette Valley, Oregon

Consider the similarities in these two seeds (only realized it myself today):

1725 Harp (1385 Jutras x self)
-- 1385 Jutras (1068 Wallace x 998 Pukos [1689 Jutras WR])


1175 Holub* (1037.5 Jarvis* x self)
-- 1037.5 Jarvis* (1217.5 Jarvis* x 1002 Jarvis* [1486 Jarvis* WR])

Now if it was only the 1525 Holub instead of 1175! ha ha.

10/28/2013 2:36:39 AM

Germany

what similarity ?

10/28/2013 3:51:54 AM

Willamette Valley, Oregon

Sorry that wasn't meant to be a puzzle: Both are selfs grown off a seed with a world record pollinator.

10/28/2013 1:00:14 PM

Leerdam, The Netherlands

Hi Scot,

Have you opened up your squash already?
Are you willing to share the seeds for "the cause" if it would be choosen???!

10/28/2013 2:31:04 PM

Willamette Valley, Oregon

The 1175 did have seeds and I'd be willing to share if it was chosen for the contest.

11/1/2013 8:18:06 PM