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Princeville, IL

It’s that time of year when I am looking at my old seed vault. If you could only grow one seed for orange and it had to be from between 1995 and 2010 what would it be. I started growing in 2014 so do not have experience with the older seeds except what I see in pedigrees. I have inherited a lot of older seeds and know germinating them is very difficult but want to concentrate on the best.

2/21/2020 6:17:33 PM

Dillsburg, PA

603 Muller or 811 Gerhardt

2/21/2020 7:33:03 PM

Nova Scotia

670 Daigle was the seed to have after 2003 for orange and shape!

2/21/2020 7:54:32 PM

Orient, Ohio

Going back way, 846 Calai! One of the best at that time for sure.

2/21/2020 9:19:08 PM

San Diego, Ca.

I grew the 731 Stucker (801.5 Stelts x Self) back in 2005. Still the prettiest one I've grown so far.

2/21/2020 9:30:06 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

I grew the 603 Muller 03 several times. It grew reliably orange, and would also go about 10% heavy. My heaviest pumpkin came off the 603 Muller(1041 lbs. back in 2007).

2/21/2020 10:36:00 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

If I could have 10 seeds of any past pumpkin, that were guaranteed to germinate, I'd pick the 940 Mombert 00. Bob Troy grew two of the nicest colored pumpkins I've ever seen pictured, off this seed(654 and 659 lbs I think). Going off the pics I've seen of them, one was a dark, bright, shiny, pure orange(great shape), and one was very shiny, red orange(nice shape). I had a few of these seeds years ago, and only got one to germinate. The one plant I grew of it, I couldn't set a fruit on, unfortunately.

2/21/2020 10:43:51 PM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

In one of Don Langevin's books, you can see a pic of Bob Troy with the red orange pumpkin that I described. I don't recall which book though.

2/21/2020 10:49:01 PM

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

808 Beachy grew a couple of great orange pumpkins for us in 2005 and 2006

2/21/2020 11:51:21 PM

Johnston, R.I.

500 Northrup or 1059 Vincent McGill

2/22/2020 1:11:17 AM

Orient, Ohio

Yea the 808 Beachy did have some nice ones. I forgot about the 801.5 Stelts

2/22/2020 8:12:22 AM

Princeville, IL

Thanks to those who have pitched in so far. Will look through my list. I know I don’t have the actual seeds of most listed but will look to see if I have some progeny from them.
Any more suggestions?

2/22/2020 10:52:12 AM

Grittyville, WA

735 Veader 09... Photo gallery... nicest pic I have seen and long stem apparently... I forget the mom but I would plant either if I could.

2/22/2020 12:41:06 PM

Grittyville, WA

1191.5 northrup was the mom says it came in 19% hvy (for breeding and carving... would be nice to get more than 4 inch wall thickness!)

2/22/2020 12:49:58 PM

Syracuse, NY

shameless plug for a seed of my own (falls within those years, lol) and PLEASE read on about Agar -

examples of 1140 Stelts and 689.5 Sandercock tomorrow (i lost my message i originally typed) and don't forget the 869.5 Calai(!) all three are excellent orange-injectors;

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=300442

PS---they no longer sprouted for me since like '12, but if you have the 689.5, we could dealy-o for something nice---eg

2/22/2020 3:12:31 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

801.5 Stelts or 869 Calai

2/22/2020 7:51:36 PM

Long Island,New York

603muller, 1059 vincent-McGill.

2/23/2020 8:23:39 AM

Long Island,New York

603muller, 1059 vincent-McGill.

2/23/2020 8:24:46 AM

Long Island,New York

Um....sorry.....well I guess that was worth stating twice.
940 mombert always gave me good color but with a long tapered pumpkin it was less appealing. The 500 Northrup gave me light orange.846 was a mixed bag and even the orange ones had the orange mottle or flecks....usually a good shape though. Personal pinion in growing for orange is shape can detract significantly from the impact of a bright orange one. 2cents please....or maybe 4 ,,

2/23/2020 8:28:01 AM

50 Acres

Sorry, we don,t have pennies in Canada anymore. Then again whats 75% of 1 cent. :>) Jim

2/23/2020 9:23:57 AM

Spokane Valley, WA

agteacher, you and I were bidding on the PGVG lot 38 last night. I was really only interested in the 359 Foss. If you are interested in the other three seeds, email me at greg3111@comcast.net

2/23/2020 2:12:30 PM

Princeville, IL

Thanks Greg but I was bidding for the 359 also. (:

2/23/2020 2:31:01 PM

Eastern Pennsylvania

The 811 was a 2011 seed and the 359 was a 2013 seed.

I'd go with 1059 VM, 846 Calai and 810 Dill.

2/23/2020 2:49:28 PM

Mcminnville, Or. (oregonangler@comcast.net)

Hey 12th, I'll take the 625, if you really don't want it?

2/23/2020 3:26:43 PM

Princeville, IL

Okay an update on what I have found in the old seed vault per your recommendations on seeds. I don’t have many of the seeds mentioned but have progeny of many of them. Actual seeds I have that are mentioned
1059 V/M, 1191.5 NORTHRUP
603.5 Muller progeny — 650 Muller 04 ( 603.5 x 1458 Whittaker)
670 Diagle progeny — 1001 NORTHRUP 04 ( 670 x 810 Dill)
— 953.2 Whittaker ( 670 x 1180 Deletas)
— 904 NORTHRUP 05 ( 670 x 965 NORTHRUP)
— 789.5 Sandvik 06 ( 670 x 1370 Rose )
— 250 Hamilton 10 ( 670 x self)

2/23/2020 5:07:43 PM

Princeville, IL

Next is 846 CALAI progeny
976 Deletas 02 — ( 846 x 898 Knaus)
936 MOMBERT 01 — ( 846 x 866 MOMBERT )
856 Dill 03 — ( 846 x 810 Dill ). Really like this one
713 Kurkowski 01 ( 846 x 668 Jyrkowski )
482 Conley 05 ( 846 x self)
No 731 Stucker progeny but the following 801.5 STELTS progeny
798.5 CALAI 00 ( 801.5 x 846 CALAI) — like to know more on this seed
774 MOMBERT ( 801.5 x 567 MOMBERT )
720 Welty 03 ( 801.5 x 1337 Houghman)

2/23/2020 5:19:18 PM

Princeville, IL

On to the 940 MOMBERT — one progeny
860 MOMBERT 01 ( 940 x 723 BOBIER)
No 808 BEACHY PROGENY
500 NORTHRUP PROGENY
744 Christensen 07. ( 500 x 869.5 CALAI )
1046 Blalock 07. ( 500 x 1187 Slusarck )
No 735 VEADER or progeny

2/23/2020 5:30:31 PM

North Pole,Alaska

So if you were a young lad, would you be considered a pumpkin progeny? :)

2/23/2020 5:40:46 PM

Princeville, IL

869.5 CALLAI Progeny
709.5 Lovelace 07. ( 869.5 x 1370 Rose )
689.5 Sandercock 03 ( 869.5 x Self )
820 Sandvik 06 ( 869.5 x 670 DIAGLE )
810 DILL PROGENY
729.4 Freight 07. ( 810 x 1370 Rose)
965 NORTHRUP 04 ( 810 x 801.5 STELTS )
Lots 0f 1059 V/M progeny
Found a progeny from a 735 VEADER-HAHN IF same as 735 VEADER
529 Tootle 10 ( 735 x 856 HARNICA )

2/23/2020 5:48:01 PM

Princeville, IL

I will most likely plant all the above as I expect about. 1 in 10 to germinate if lucky.
I thank all of you for your responses and follow my diary this spring to see what happens.

2/23/2020 5:51:58 PM

Grittyville, WA

Certainly will... Please try papeq towel/ dilute h202 then peeling seed coats off when they soften and plant and keep humid under lights with cots partway out of the ground, when the root starts to grow. (hint hint... Tell me this isnt the best method I am pretty sure it is.) Good luck... The rot is the issue... Until they green up.. keep using h202 liberally as needed. I think .5 to 1.5 % works.

2/23/2020 6:10:16 PM

Syracuse, NY

i'd be intere$$ted in the 689.5 or its crosses you create with it (self?) woo-hoo- super-interesting to see some listed that i also have and/or, 'Oh, yeahhh, i forgot about that one and..." this'll be a good year to actually intensively grow my own seeds, too and update my WCG listing, lol---eg

2/23/2020 9:51:29 PM

Burt NY

my 110 = 09
f. 884 - Ornskov -06
m. 820 - Sandvick - 06

Grew my first HDA in 2010

2/26/2020 8:56:06 AM

Minnesota(dw447@fastmail.fm)

agteacher,

You've got some nice orange genetics there! That 820 Sandvik 06 looks like a nice cross on paper. I agree with Shannon, the 801 Stelts and 869 Calia were some great orange producers back in the day. Was that 774 Mombert seed from 2000? If so, it may be the same cross(or the reverse cross) of the 940 Mombert 00, that I mentioned. I can't recall exactly what the cross for the 940 Mombert 00 was. One thing to add, I think there was another 940 Mombert from 1998, or around that time period. I don't know if it was an orange producer.

2/26/2020 9:33:49 PM

Buffalo, MN (Billsbigpumpkins@hotmail.com)

The first orange pumpkin that really caught my eye was the grown off 810 Dill. The best producing orange for me was the 1059 V/M. My grandsons produced some awesome looking pumpkins from the 359 Foss.

2/27/2020 10:22:00 AM

Upa Creek, Mo

1059 VMG, grew it in 2011. It was a smooth, orange, spherical pumpkin that really tolerated heat.

2/27/2020 11:20:31 AM