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Oakland, CA, USA

http://www.agnet.org/library/article/rh2003008f.html#0

Very short and to the point article

-Erin

2/27/2005 11:33:45 PM

Dillsburg, PA

Good article. Neem and Cinn. oil seems to work on pm. I'll try anything since pm wiped my patch out in mid July.

2/28/2005 5:57:19 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

I wish there was greater detail.

This "report" concerns me. For starters the efficacy of the ferrous chloride isn't published so we don't know how well the material performed. I did a search & couldn't find anyone published on that item.

Iron Salts are a moderate health hazard associated with skin burns so could pose a greater hazard than the compounds it might replace.

I was trying to obtain the salt index but instead found a price. At nearly $100 per lb, this material would have to be much more effective than modern Strobilurins to justify the cost especially considering the bio-rational Strobis are safer for the end-user.

Please don't get me wrong here. I'm not knocking us looking & reporting on these things. Indeed as we foster the growing skills of more children, we need to explore more Powdery Mildew control options especially with respect to botanicals & bio-rationals.

I'd like to set up an efficacy study of unprocessed milk but the nearest dairy is bound by contract & law to send all of his milk off to the cooperative to be pasteurized. Maybe I can get him to sneak me some.

But every other day spraying of milk would be very difficult for anyone who doesn't own their own dairy.

I wonder if processed milk has been tried?

2/28/2005 7:17:58 AM

Sheridan . NY

plant health will help a lot to keep mildews and bugs at bay-- daily light foliar feeds will keeping plant sugars up and bugs and dieseae do not high sugars--in addition spray with Vigor Cal and Vigor Phos has given even more help

2/28/2005 10:22:19 AM

Montoursville, PA

Mr. Garett, author, Dear Dirt Doctor suggests 20 lbs of corn meal per 1000 sq. ft as a good fungi support additive.

The ability of corn meal to cure fungal issues is as old as corn is to mankind. It carrys with it lots of carbs and about 1% nitrogen. My position is that it could do no harm at these rates and may do what he suggests.

I agree that plant sugars being kept up and the use of Vigor Cal and Bigor Phos offers some resistance.

My ace in the hole recently has been Neem Oil plus two tablespoons per gallon of mix using Baking Soda. Neem Oil is a modest insecticide, miticice and fungicide. It must be applied weekly when the season presents the Milldews. When these manuvers fail to work well enough I have on occasion reached for a harsher product. In this event I try very hard to mist the applications and prevent run off to soil as much as humanly possilbe.

I personally do not like systemic fungicides but know they are being used by others.

2/28/2005 11:24:21 AM

Oakland, CA, USA

Yeah, the site where I got the article from has a lot of great ideas, but as Steve says, not too much detail. It's a good starting point, but certainly not one-stop-shopping. Fortunately, when studies are available, they do cite them. Unfortunately, the studies are generally of Asian origin (the focus area for the site), and although I haven't gone looking for them to confirm this, I suspect they are written in their local languages.
Steve, I have heard of the emergence of some dairies that sell unpasteurized milk legally by forming direct-investment relations with their customers (the call it a CSA, and I am forgetting the meaning of the acronym, but could find if you are interested), where the customer buys into the operation and receives shares of the product. If you are really interested, its a possibility to investigate.

-Erin.

3/1/2005 1:07:06 PM

Cologne / Germany

Personally I wouldn´t rely on information like that from Taiwan nor any other state in this area. They even cultivate shrimps in rice fields (a nice chemical cocktail), use cooling water from nuclear plants to "cultivate" whatever or...eat dogs...no offense here but they have to change their "standards" before we can talk. IMHO.

3/1/2005 8:22:03 PM

Azores,terceira Island

no offense floh but do you eat beef, chicken, pork,or horse i have eaten horse in Germany. the point is they raise the dogs like live stock. they dont name them and give them to there children to play with then eat them for dinner that night. Not trying to start an arguement just making a point...Ryan

3/19/2005 6:35:23 AM