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Oz

would spraying this hurt?,,,help??? i know,,only if the pumpkin has VD,,,yuk yuk,,,what is powery mildew?
could this defunk soil?,,,,,,just wondering,,,doc would write me a script. LOL PENNYSILLYN PUMPKINS,EAT BEFORE SEX!!!HAHAHA

8/17/2003 1:14:46 PM

Montoursville, PA

Yes and your pumpkin pie would grow more mold! "PUMPKIN GROWER SUBSTITUTES PUMPKIN FOR AGER AGER, YEILDS NEW YUMMY TREATMENTS"

8/17/2003 2:04:25 PM

Montoursville, PA

CRIPES.... run into your garden center and get a real fungicide...one with copper if possilbe. Anything but move boy move or you will have a hairy throat and possibly a white soft beard where the sun don't shine. That should be motivation enough. :) Hint: Mildew is a Fungus. It is not beneficial unless you want mother to wipe out your patch in the next two or three days.

8/17/2003 2:09:22 PM

Cornwall UK.(50N 5W)300ft.

Using waste milk as a control for mildew came up recently.
Main reason for a farmer having waste milk is because it contains antibiotics maybe it isn't just a coincidence.

8/17/2003 4:41:27 PM

Montoursville, PA

I think the waste milk was 1940's raw unprocessed milk. Can't see many of us having access to any raw milk. There isn't a dairy in sight if even in this county any more.

8/17/2003 6:26:39 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

We have all kinds of Milk...lol

8/17/2003 8:37:40 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

I think that milk would alter the pH of the leaf surface much the same way Baking soda does. Thus making the leaf area unsuitable for Powdery Mildew. But the cost, stench, bugs, & frequency of reapplication combined with the poor results would hardly justify the effort. Perhaps in the days of non-contract milk production it made sense to get rid of surplus or spoiled milk this way. No more.

If serious about growing AG's, I'd leave the processed milk in the fridge & use a conventional fungicide that works.

Just my $.02

Steve

8/17/2003 9:52:55 PM

porterville,california usa

penecillin only kills certain types of viruses. it`s useless against bacteria, molds, and fungus, which is what powdery mildew and most other leaf ailments are. (i knew all that stuff i learned from my days as a microbiology major would come in handy someday).

8/18/2003 1:28:53 AM

Liverpool , England

Hey Booth,
I'm no quack but I thought there was no cure for a any virus yet. It always has to run its course.The common cold, Aids etc... no cure for them. I know its used to fight infections...but I'm sure it dont fight virusus. Anmybody else wanna comment?

Alun

8/18/2003 5:05:37 AM

Oz

thank you all for everything. there is a huge dairy and some small ones here. mayfield dairy products hq is near them.ill save the milk for me.,,would it be good for the soil??i know i can get it cheap.

8/18/2003 12:50:28 PM

Cornwall UK.(50N 5W)300ft.

I've done loads of searches trying to find a use for milk in the garden and found little but hearsay as to whether it is bad or good.Adding Pennicilium to the search is opening doors for me,
I don't understand the "small stuff" well enough to tell anyone else about it so you'll have to read it for yourself if interested try a search for "Milk Pennicilium Fruit" and "Yeast US-7 Fruit" soooo many coincidences.

8/18/2003 3:12:25 PM

Montoursville, PA

Well go ahead and get a tank truck full. Till in immediately. Maybe you will invent a new kind of soft cheese. Mouse and vole cheese spread sounds marketable. Don't worry about SVB. The red will garnish the spread and make it interesting.

8/18/2003 3:39:30 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

McP,

Whole milk solids have considerable Nitrogen value. A friend of mine was exploring the extraction of methane gas by processing the solids in a commercial digester. The methane was then to fuel the fire to dry the solids & make me a consistant supply of natural organic dry fertilizer. Since none has yet materialized I can only presume it was a commercial flop. Odors were one concern the investors had. Perhaps these concerns were never met? At any rate, the analysis looked good on paper. I'd check them out if I were you.

Steve

8/18/2003 5:50:20 PM

Cornwall UK.(50N 5W)300ft.

Pound for pound liquid milk has similar N.P.K. amount to cow manure but in a different ratio.The big question is how long does it take for the fat to break down if its longer than one winter that more or less rules it out as a manure.

The rate for the suggested mildew spray is 1 part raw (unpasteurized) milk to nine parts water which sounds fairly harmless but to be safe I wouldn't let it touch the pumpkin itself just in case the fat can penetrate the pumpkins skin and cause it to go brighter orange like oil does.

8/19/2003 1:01:10 AM

Oz

tremor,,odors???lol put it next to a dairy in springtime!!peuuuuu! docgipe,,im using used commercial mushroom soil..
sounds like alot of food for thanksgiving,,pumpkins,vol butter and cheese...oh and milk...lol and moldy bread...

8/19/2003 1:56:57 AM

porterville,california usa

Alun i stand corrected. my brain must have gone dyslectic, `cause i meant it just opposite from what i wrote. good to see someone`s paying attention. lol. i guess i shouldn`t post after a 12 pack of bud lite anymore.

8/19/2003 2:41:00 AM

Montoursville, PA

ANYTHING YOU PLACE ON TOP OF THE SOIL...becomes compost in process and will little effect immediatly that which goes on under or in the soil....excepting the general benefits of mulching.

All composted materal ends up at about 7.0 PH. Stirring or pouring it into the soil is another matter. Generally the compost touching the soil at the point mulch becomes compost is an excellent biologicaly alive feed for any plant. I just have not figured out how much tollerance to what kind of mulch pumpkin vines and stems will take. I'm sure the answer to this will vary, in different climate zones within, the country.

8/19/2003 9:44:18 AM

Oz

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE RED WORMS TO BREAK DOWN COMPOST?
THE USED MUSHROOM SOIL IS TOO HOT BUT ITS FULL OF PUMPKIN ROOTS. I HAD SOME SOIL SIT IN THE BACK OF MY PICK UP
AND IT RAINED.GREAT TEA FOR GLADS AND FUNGUS FUNK WAS GONE.
,,,,COULD I BE GIVING MY PLANTS POWDERY MILDEW FROM THIS SOIL?? NO SIGN OF MILDEW ON AGs TILL THIS WEEK.BEEN USING SINCE START. GREAT GROWTH SPURT USING 10-30-10. COULD YOU USE RAW MILK AND RED WIGGLERS TO KILL THE BAD FUNGI IN OLD MUSHROOM SOIL?
KINDA LIKE A SPEED COMPOST??I CAN KEEP OUT THE LITTLE RODENTS ,,ETC..
THE THINGS I HAVE PLENTY NEAR THE PATCH IS PUCKY, HORSE OR COW,,RAW MILK,WATER,SPACE,SUNSHINE,RAIN,BUGS,HAY/STRAW.
AND RED WIGGLERS.
LOTS OF LITTLE MUSHROOMS GROWING. LOL

8/19/2003 1:13:25 PM