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Tipp City, Ohio

I have always heard that one should not eat fruit that has been sprayed with systemic pesticides. But the Admire 2F that I have is classified for use on many different vegetables. Does its potency just wear off after "x" days? Or does it not enter the fruit and just stay in the green vines/leaves? Or other?

3/22/2004 9:01:59 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

Admire, Marathon, Merit, Provado, & Bayer Tree & Shrub are all Imidacloprid. Here's the deal.

Only Admire & Provado are labeled for use on edible fruits & vegetables. Not because their form of Imidacloprid is any less toxic. But rather that's the way the Post-Clinton/Gore era EPA wants labels written.

Imidacloprid does NOT translocate into Cucurbita fruit. Period.

So regardless of what may be written on this board or elsewere on the internet, some Admire & Provado treated fruit remains edible when the label directions have been followed.

Provado is labeled for Stonefruit, Tomato, Citrus, Tropical Fruit, Legumes, Root & Tuber crops, Strawberries, Bush berries, Hops, Tobacco, Cereals, & some leafy vegetables.

http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld6AQ004.pdf

Admire is labeled for use on Potatoes, Tomato, Field Lettuce, Apple, Grapes, sugarbeets, Cucurbits, turnips, beans, peas, etc, you get the picture...it's easier to post a link to the label....see:

http://www.cdms.net/manuf/1prod.asp?pd=33&lc=1

Marathon is for greenhouse flower & plant production.

Merit & Bayer T&S are general use pesticides that are labeled for Turf & Ornamental uses.

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3/23/2004 7:25:05 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

It is all the same Imidacloprid that comes off the exact same production lines. The percent active ingredient & the formulations are changed to best suit the end use application.

Imidacloprid is offered in 60% & 75% Wettable Powders both in jars & water soluble packages. It is also formulated into 1.4 & 2 pound (14% & 20%) flowables & a very weak consumer (1.47%???) version. 100% straight technical material is available to folks like us (suitcase sized chunk that costs about $1 million US) to be formulated into any of several granular formulations. Bayer inspects every single production run for final QC & approval prior to sale. All very professional & expensive. The number of formulators in the U.S. is therefore somewhat limited.

Tech is also formulated into gels & salves for use on Rover & FiFi for Fleas & Ticks.

But as previously stated, all the technical material comes from the same production lines.

Hope this helps.

Steve

3/23/2004 7:25:13 AM

Tipp City, Ohio

Thanks for the reply. I guess not all systemics are not "bad" then.

3/23/2004 9:00:40 PM

Montoursville, PA

Before any good or bad evalutaton is made we must know what the total posioning and killing effect, of any additive, is. This one is a poison and it kills with well known and documented facts. It does not stop killing when it gets the target form of life. If two paragraphs were now written to this subject you would then have a total picture from which to make a use or not to use decision.

If any product is not bio-degradable we must ask, where does it stay and where does it go and where will it accumulate to poison and kill other life forms? If it is bio-degradable we need to know bio-degradable into what other forms, where does it stay and so forth. If it was not bio-degradable and stayed in your soil why would you ever have to use more?

I am personally experiencing a price I do not wish to pay by adding this item to my living soil which was badly affected by this product and at least one other real bad decision I made last summer. I will not be using this chemical product again by any name it may be called in the future.

3/24/2004 10:58:53 AM